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Re: Yes, it is.
Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net>Date: 10/15/08 12:06 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Yes, it is. (Louis Wu)


: I think you're missing the fact that two separate Bungie employees, at two
: separate times, said two distinctly different things about that particular
: bit of Halo lore.

: The interview you're referring to was posted in October, 2004. Frankie's
: quote comes from July, 2006 - two years later. In August, 2006, Staten
: acknowledges that his original statement was "controversial",
: and that at that point they were actually working on the "is it, or
: isn't it?" question - it's not NEARLY as cut-and-dried as you're
: suggesting it is.

: I'm not sure there's a consensus amongst Halo's writers about whether or not
: I Love Bees is canon (or Canon) or not - I'm DAMN sure they've never
: resolved the situation in any definitive way publicly.

I'm sorry, I'll taken Staten's word over Frankie's on the Halo story any day of the week. Meaning no respect to Frankie, he came on after Halo 1 and left for MS to follow the Halo IP, whereas Staten is a Bungie guy through and through and was there since before Halo started. That Frankie contradicted him two years later and that Staten backpedaled ever so slightly after that isn't particularly significant to me.

It cut and dried unless you have already made up your mind that for some reason you want ILB to be considered canon unless there is evidence to the contrary.

I think canon should be more conservative than that. Things should not be considered canon unless there is evidence that it is. Primary sources (the games) are obviously canon. Secondary materials produced directly by Bungie are canon (Staten's novel). Secondary materials produced with Bungie's direct involvement and approval are canon unless they contradict primary materials (the authorized novels).

ILB was made by a third party not as a standalone product but as promotional materials, from source given to the authors by Bungie but without further direct involvement and/or supervision from Bungie.

The ILB story does not rise to the same level of quality as the rest of the Haloverse. It was created primarily to advertise, was created primarily outside of Bungie, adds elements that are not followed up within primary sources and are not necessary for comprehending the primary plot arcs.

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H3:R "Dual Wielding?"Bryan Ojeda 10/12/08 12:16 p.m.
     Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"Vincent 10/12/08 12:24 p.m.
     Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"Dave Bergland 10/12/08 12:26 p.m.
           Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"XMixMasterX 10/12/08 12:43 p.m.
                 Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"Bryan Ojeda 10/12/08 12:47 p.m.
                       Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"The More Deluded 10/12/08 12:55 p.m.
                       Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"Bry 10/12/08 1:19 p.m.
                 Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"Zerowind117 10/12/08 10:33 p.m.
           Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"elpolloguapo 10/12/08 7:23 p.m.
     Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"343winks. 10/12/08 12:54 p.m.
           Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"The More Deluded 10/12/08 12:57 p.m.
                 Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"Bryan Ojeda 10/12/08 12:58 p.m.
                 Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"XMixMasterX 10/12/08 1:00 p.m.
                       Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"free 10/12/08 1:08 p.m.
                             Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"343winks. 10/12/08 1:34 p.m.
                                   Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"The More Deluded 10/12/08 2:27 p.m.
                                         erm.. ie differences in accuracy, damage etc. *NM*The More Deluded 10/12/08 2:27 p.m.
                                   Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"Rosco-128 10/12/08 3:49 p.m.
                                         Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"Bryan Ojeda 10/12/08 6:10 p.m.
                                         Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"Cthulhu117 10/12/08 6:12 p.m.
                                         Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"343winks. 10/13/08 4:10 a.m.
                                               Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"vlad3163 10/13/08 4:59 a.m.
                                                     Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"343winks. 10/13/08 5:35 a.m.
                                                           Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"Cthulhu117 10/13/08 6:22 a.m.
                                                                 Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"Rosco-128 10/13/08 6:29 a.m.
                                                                       It's not. *NM*UNSC_Trooper 10/13/08 10:33 a.m.
                                                                             Yes, it is.Cthulhu117 10/13/08 2:18 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Yes, it is.UNSC_Trooper 10/14/08 8:18 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Yes, it is.My7hos 10/14/08 8:37 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Yes, it is.UNSC_Trooper 10/14/08 8:45 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Yes, it is.Louis Wu 10/14/08 8:47 a.m.
                                                                                               My take.My7hos 10/14/08 9:06 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: My take.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/14/08 9:31 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: My take.My7hos 10/14/08 1:49 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Yes, it is.UNSC_Trooper 10/14/08 9:09 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Yes, it is.Louis Wu 10/14/08 9:47 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Yes, it is.UNSC_Trooper 10/14/08 10:26 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Yes, it is.Louis Wu 10/14/08 11:08 a.m.
                                                                                                                       You know if I was a Bungie employee...Leviathan 10/14/08 6:17 p.m.
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                                                                 Re: H3:R "Dual Wielding?"UNSC_Trooper 10/13/08 10:38 a.m.
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