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Re: Living in Denial
Posted By: Wado SGDate: 5/20/04 3:34 p.m.

In Response To: Living in Denial (Narcogen)

: Exactly how the heck were the author's wishes expressed by simply having the
: word "fanfic" in the meta tags?

It was more than that:

1) Verification of IP or Bungie source from Bungie -- inconclusive
2) Massive updates to Halo Story Page -- NONE
3) Direct questioning of validity from bungie.org -- Silence

: When the terms first appeared and I also thought they might be genuine, it
: seemed likely to me that there was some kind of puzzle here, and that
: perhaps another clue was to be found in HBO's fanfic section.

: After looking and finding nothing, I eventually abandoned that theory. For a
: bit I thought it was related to Wideload, but they disabused me of that
: theory.

: Eventually I contacted Bungie directly. The individuals I contacted said they
: had no specific knowledge of Bungie involvement. However, that still
: seemed to leave some wriggle room, and the whole thing might have been
: Bungie-sanctioned if not Bungie-generated. So at their request I didn't
: publish their denial.

: But I don't think there's any way someone can say that the use of the term
: 'fanfic' in a meta term is an unambiguous expression of the author's
: intent. It's not. In fact, nothing in this whole thing was unambiguous,
: which was more or less the point.

: What I tend to wonder is why this wasn't introduced as a special fan fiction,
: with the HTML presentation? Because nobody would have been interested in
: it. Moreover, some fanfic authors might have wondered why Steve deserved
: special treatment. In order to get attention, the source and nature of the
: Enkidu story had to be obscured, so that readers might think it was
: Bungie.

: I come to the same point Miguel did-- once you stop looking at this as a
: puzzle, what do you have left? Miguel found an enjoyable story. What I saw
: was a piece of fan fiction that, while admittedly light years ahead of
: most (if not all) of the existing Halo fan fiction out there, still fell
: far short of the standards set by Bungie, and that's why I eventually came
: to believe it was not from them and was a fan creation.

: Technically it was well executed in terms of style, presentation, spelling
: and grammar. However, it doesn't add much of value to the Halo universe,
: it confuses parts of the Halo and Marathon universes in a way even Bungie
: never intended, and contains parts that at times conflict with what is
: known in the Halo universe or at the very least is so unoriginal that
: Bungie would never do it. The story started out very well, but once it
: began to simply repeat the Halo story it became uninteresting.

Agreed in part, I was not as happy with the ending as the beginnings, the ending felt more rushed. But I do not agree that it did not have value. If you look for answers in a story, you must look beyond the story and see where it came from. Since it came from an unknown author, the context of the story changes as does the perceived value. The value was not insider information on Halo Story from Bungie, the value was intellectual stimulation.

I very much think that it stimulated people intellectually and that was the value of the exercise.

: Wow, that sounds harsher than I wanted it to.

: Basically, once it became clear that the Flood were at a structure that
: wasn't a Halo before the Fall of Reach, I knew it wasn't Bungie, because
: in their storyline, that makes no darn sense.

: I think the crux of it all is, it is difficult for anyone to judge the
: quality of the fiction objectively because of the controversy over the
: story's origin. The problem is, we'll never be able to know now whether
: this was really a genuinely good bit of fan fiction that everyone would
: have enjoyed even had they known what it was from the start, or just a
: sophomoric attempt at intellectual narcissism, fueled by cribbing from
: mythology and previous Bungie games, designed specifically to attract
: attention to something that would never have gotten any attention
: otherwise; essentially, a triumph of style over substance.

What is the point of the quality of the fiction? Mastery is in the evidence of hard work made to look easy. Quality is in the hard work put into it. Judgement of these qualities is relative. I say it is a great piece of writing, but not for its words which were at times insightful but for its presentation. It isn't just words, it is emotional content and presentation, it is the whole package.

Here is an excerpt provide to me from a friend from "Zen In The Martial Arts" By Joe Hyams

Conquer Haste

I was having tea with Master Han (Grandmaster Bong Soo Han) in his office when the mailman arrived with a letter from the masters family in Korea.

Knowing he had been eagerly anticipating the letter, I paused in our conversation, expecting him to tear open the envelope and hastily scan the contents. Instead, he put the letter aside, turned to me, and continued our conversation.

The following day I remarked on his self-control, saying I would have read the letter at once.

"I did what I would have done had I been alone," he said. "I put the letter aside until I had conquered haste. Then when I set my hand to it, I opened it as though it were something precious."

I puzzled over this comment a moment, knowing he meant it to be a lesson for me. Finally I said I didn't know what such patience had lead to.

"It leads to this," he said. "Those who are patient in the trivial things in life and control themselves will one day have the same mastery in great and important things."

- Joe Hyams

To me this is applicable because those that jumped on the bandwagon and praised Enkidu as Bungie's work are also those that jump on the bandwagon hastily in other aspects of their life.

There is much more to it, if anything, Enkidu was a lesson for being patient as some did like Miquel said he did, knowing that it would all be over soon, after E3. What is the value of life's lessons learned in a safe manner?


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Suspension of Disbelief.. But Not to DeathAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 5/17/04 9:05 p.m.
     Quoth the angelColopatiron 5/17/04 9:15 p.m.
     I am kicking myself for one small thing...Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 5/17/04 11:23 p.m.
     I'll sum up what I sawMiguel Chavez 5/18/04 12:11 a.m.
           :pTraize 5/18/04 12:43 p.m.
     Re: Suspension of Disbelief.. But Not to DeathCarlo 5/18/04 1:31 p.m.
           Re: Suspension of Disbelief.. But Not to DeathAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 5/18/04 8:42 p.m.
     Re: Suspension of Disbelief.. But Not to DeathAnonymous Coward 5/18/04 1:33 p.m.
     I still don't get it...BloodBlade 5/18/04 1:49 p.m.
           Re: I still don't get it...Tarrsk 5/18/04 2:19 p.m.
     (Mis)informed opinion, a letter to Anton.gspawn 5/18/04 2:21 p.m.
           Re: (Mis)informed opinion, a letter to Anton.mnemesis 5/18/04 3:01 p.m.
                 Re: (Mis)informed opinion, a letter to Anton.Count Zero 5/18/04 5:49 p.m.
                       Living in DenialNarcogen 5/20/04 12:28 a.m.
                             Re: Living in DenialWado SG 5/20/04 3:34 p.m.
                                   Re: Living in DenialNarcogen 5/21/04 5:58 a.m.
                                         Re: Living in Denialmnemesis 5/21/04 1:29 p.m.
                                               Re: Living in DenialWado SG 5/21/04 2:41 p.m.
                 Re: (Mis)informed opinion, a letter to Anton.Zaknafein 5/18/04 6:17 p.m.
           Re: (Mis)informed opinion, a letter to Anton.Louis Wu 5/18/04 3:17 p.m.
     Once upon a time...Wado SG 5/18/04 2:32 p.m.
           Re: Once upon a time...Dark Bastion 5/18/04 7:06 p.m.
     Re: Suspension of Disbelief.. But Not to Deathdoesitmatter?no 5/18/04 3:34 p.m.
           Extraordinary claims / exraordinary evidenceCENOBITE 5/18/04 4:20 p.m.
     Re: Suspension of Disbelief.. But Not to DeathAeroJonesy 5/18/04 4:00 p.m.
     Re: Suspension of Disbelief.. But Not to DeathrAgn4rokK 5/18/04 4:52 p.m.
     Re: Suspension of Disbelief.. But Not to DeathDark Bastion 5/18/04 6:41 p.m.
           Re: Suspension of Disbelief.. But Not to DeathAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 5/18/04 8:57 p.m.
                 Re: Suspension of Disbelief.. But Not to DeathDark Bastion 5/19/04 12:01 a.m.
     Re: Suspension of Disbelief.. But Not to DeathNamaste 5/18/04 10:00 p.m.
     Re: Suspension of Disbelief.. But Not to DeathHaesslich 5/19/04 2:16 a.m.
     Ok, but...Narcogen 5/20/04 7:14 a.m.
           Re: Ok, but...Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 5/20/04 7:36 a.m.
                 Re: Ok, but...Narcogen 5/20/04 11:50 p.m.
           Blaspheme Quarantined?[BGH]Viper 5/20/04 10:19 p.m.
     Fantastic, Marathon-like jobKen 5/20/04 11:02 p.m.
           Re: Fantastic, Marathon-like jobAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 5/21/04 6:13 a.m.



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