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Re: I'm bored, here's speculation
Posted By: DEEP NNN <deep_nnn@hotmail.com>	Date: 10/9/11 12:04 p.m.
In Response To: I'm bored, here's speculation (FyreWulff) : this post is 100% speculation : Reach is entirely set up around the shield eating all damage before any other : is done. : So in Reach, it can be assumed the game is tracking two completely : independent variables: Shield HP : Player HP : The game would in theory be programmed to deal with damage as thus: when a : damage event occurs, stick it into a queue, then deal the damage all to : shields. If another damage event occurs, deal the damage to shields again : UNLESS shields are empty, then deal damage to the player's HP. Certain : weapons would have special exemptions to this, obviously the Plasma : Grenade still kills you outright. : I don't know how far they had to dig through the code in the TU's system, an : easy way to do it would be to re-run the damage event. Once for the : shields, then immediately to health in the next frame, minus what the : shields ate. : So here's my completely guessing theories on what the bug is, which are : entirely speculation: 1) We already know Reach has two separate health : systems, with Elites using the 2/3 system and Spartans using a version of : the halo 1 system. The mechanisms to let the two run side by side are more : complex than one would think at a first look. This could be as simple as : someone forgot a variable somewhere. : 2) Health packs are not actually taking you back to 100%, but rather the : actual engine-tracked maximum HP is being capped at whatever the : bleedthrough put it at. : I can't be arsed to look at the actual values, but let's work some easy round : numbers: Shield HP is 100 : Player HP is 100 : Punches do -100 hp : Shots do -30 hp : So shot shot punch would be -160, taking all your shields and some HP : Shield HP is 0 : Player HP is 40 : Pick up a health pack. While it's visually showing full health restored, it : actually only goes back to 40. : Shield HP: 100 : Player HP: 40 (appears to be 100) : Shot - 30 : Shot - 30 : Punch - 100 : Death. I can also say that Nak3d Eli's latest video and assumptions are not cut and dry as per my tests today. I tried and failed to reproduce his video. There is more to it and shots to the head seem to play a large role in my test results.

Message Index

Health Bug Analysis - 3 Factors	Nak3d Eli	10/9/11 9:53 a.m.
Re: Health Bug Analysis - 3 Factors	DEEP NNN	10/9/11 10:05 a.m.
Re: Health Bug Analysis - 3 Factors	FyreWulff	10/9/11 11:26 a.m.
I'm bored, here's speculation	FyreWulff	10/9/11 11:55 a.m.
Re: I'm bored, here's speculation	DEEP NNN	10/9/11 12:04 p.m.
Re: Health Bug Analysis - 3 Factors	sithhead	10/9/11 1:06 p.m.
ONI did it... What? That's their normal excuse. *NM*	bryan newman	10/9/11 1:54 p.m.
Shhhh. Don't spoil Data Drop five. *NM*	AladelAngel	10/9/11 2:07 p.m.
Re: Shhhh. Don't spoil Data Drop five.	bryan newman	10/9/11 2:42 p.m.
Re: Shhhh. Don't spoil Data Drop five.	AladelAngel	10/9/11 3:18 p.m.
Re: Shhhh. Don't spoil Data Drop five.	bryan newman	10/9/11 3:36 p.m.
Re: Shhhh. Don't spoil Data Drop five.	AladelAngel	10/9/11 7:45 p.m.
Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th Melee	DEEP NNN	10/9/11 5:47 p.m.
WTF!?	RC Master	10/9/11 6:17 p.m.
I wonder...	Louis Wu	10/9/11 7:28 p.m.
Re: I wonder...	DEEP NNN	10/9/11 8:05 p.m.
READ THIS!	Chris101b	10/10/11 12:59 a.m.
Re: READ THIS!	Nak3d Eli	10/10/11 2:36 a.m.
Re: READ THIS!	DEEP NNN	10/10/11 6:32 a.m.
Re: READ THIS!	General Vagueness	10/10/11 8:59 a.m.
Re: READ THIS!	Louis Wu	10/10/11 11:38 a.m.
It isn't just about Health Packs	ZackDark	10/10/11 4:23 p.m.
Re: It isn't just about Health Packs	General Vagueness	10/10/11 9:15 p.m.
Re: READ THIS!	Lurono	10/10/11 3:29 p.m.
Re: READ THIS!	DEEP NNN	10/10/11 6:35 a.m.
Re: READ THIS!	General Vagueness	10/10/11 8:43 a.m.
Re: READ THIS!	General Vagueness	10/10/11 8:53 a.m.
Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th Melee	Nak3d Eli	10/9/11 7:34 p.m.
Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th Melee	Louis Wu	10/9/11 7:39 p.m.
Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th Melee	DEEP NNN	10/9/11 8:16 p.m.
Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th Melee	Miguel Chavez	10/9/11 11:26 p.m.
Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th Melee	bluerunner	10/10/11 7:17 a.m.
Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th Melee	Nak3d Eli	10/10/11 12:04 a.m.
Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th Melee	Chris101b	10/10/11 1:04 a.m.
Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th Melee	FyreWulff	10/10/11 7:13 a.m.
Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th Melee	DEEP NNN	11/1/11 7:02 a.m.
Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th Melee	General Vagueness	11/1/11 10:33 a.m.
Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th Melee	DEEP NNN	11/1/11 11:44 a.m.
Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th Melee	General Vagueness	11/1/11 5:34 p.m.
Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th Melee	DEEP NNN	11/1/11 6:01 p.m.
I wouldn't get your hopes up if I were you	Chris101b	11/1/11 7:38 p.m.
Re: I wouldn't get your hopes up if I were you	DEEP NNN	11/1/11 10:34 p.m.
Re: I wouldn't get your hopes up if I were you	General Vagueness	11/1/11 11:57 p.m.
Re: I wouldn't get your hopes up if I were you	DEEP NNN	11/2/11 5:55 a.m.
Re: I wouldn't get your hopes up if I were you	General Vagueness	11/2/11 10:40 a.m.
Re: I wouldn't get your hopes up if I were you	DEEP NNN	11/2/11 2:41 p.m.
I hope...	JonnyOThan	10/10/11 3:26 p.m.
Did you guys know about this bug?	Chris101b	10/10/11 3:32 p.m.
Not to my knowledge	JonnyOThan	10/10/11 3:42 p.m.
Any bug? I've met some elusive bugs... *NM*	uberfoop	10/10/11 4:08 p.m.