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I'm bored, here's speculation
Posted By: FyreWulff <mkidder@gmail.com>Date: 10/9/11 11:55 a.m.

In Response To: Health Bug Analysis - 3 Factors (Nak3d Eli)


this post is 100% speculation

Reach is entirely set up around the shield eating all damage before any other is done.

So in Reach, it can be assumed the game is tracking two completely independent variables:

Shield HP
Player HP

The game would in theory be programmed to deal with damage as thus: when a damage event occurs, stick it into a queue, then deal the damage all to shields. If another damage event occurs, deal the damage to shields again UNLESS shields are empty, then deal damage to the player's HP. Certain weapons would have special exemptions to this, obviously the Plasma Grenade still kills you outright.

I don't know how far they had to dig through the code in the TU's system, an easy way to do it would be to re-run the damage event. Once for the shields, then immediately to health in the next frame, minus what the shields ate.

So here's my completely guessing theories on what the bug is, which are entirely speculation:

1) We already know Reach has two separate health systems, with Elites using the 2/3 system and Spartans using a version of the halo 1 system. The mechanisms to let the two run side by side are more complex than one would think at a first look. This could be as simple as someone forgot a variable somewhere.

2) Health packs are not actually taking you back to 100%, but rather the actual engine-tracked maximum HP is being capped at whatever the bleedthrough put it at.

I can't be arsed to look at the actual values, but let's work some easy round numbers:

Shield HP is 100
Player HP is 100

Punches do -100 hp
Shots do -30 hp

So shot shot punch would be -160, taking all your shields and some HP

Shield HP is 0
Player HP is 40

Pick up a health pack. While it's visually showing full health restored, it actually only goes back to 40.

Shield HP: 100
Player HP: 40 (appears to be 100)

Shot - 30
Shot - 30
Punch - 100

Death.

fyrewulff dot com



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Health Bug Analysis - 3 FactorsNak3d Eli 10/9/11 9:53 a.m.
     Re: Health Bug Analysis - 3 FactorsDEEP NNN 10/9/11 10:05 a.m.
           Re: Health Bug Analysis - 3 FactorsFyreWulff 10/9/11 11:26 a.m.
     I'm bored, here's speculationFyreWulff 10/9/11 11:55 a.m.
           Re: I'm bored, here's speculationDEEP NNN 10/9/11 12:04 p.m.
     Re: Health Bug Analysis - 3 Factorssithhead 10/9/11 1:06 p.m.
     ONI did it... What? That's their normal excuse. *NM*bryan newman 10/9/11 1:54 p.m.
           Shhhh. Don't spoil Data Drop five. *NM*AladelAngel 10/9/11 2:07 p.m.
                 Re: Shhhh. Don't spoil Data Drop five.bryan newman 10/9/11 2:42 p.m.
                       Re: Shhhh. Don't spoil Data Drop five.AladelAngel 10/9/11 3:18 p.m.
                             Re: Shhhh. Don't spoil Data Drop five.bryan newman 10/9/11 3:36 p.m.
                                   Re: Shhhh. Don't spoil Data Drop five.AladelAngel 10/9/11 7:45 p.m.
     Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th MeleeDEEP NNN 10/9/11 5:47 p.m.
           WTF!?RC Master 10/9/11 6:17 p.m.
           I wonder...Louis Wu 10/9/11 7:28 p.m.
                 Re: I wonder...DEEP NNN 10/9/11 8:05 p.m.
                 READ THIS!Chris101b 10/10/11 12:59 a.m.
                       Re: READ THIS!Nak3d Eli 10/10/11 2:36 a.m.
                             Re: READ THIS!DEEP NNN 10/10/11 6:32 a.m.
                                   Re: READ THIS!General Vagueness 10/10/11 8:59 a.m.
                                         Re: READ THIS!Louis Wu 10/10/11 11:38 a.m.
                                               It isn't just about Health PacksZackDark 10/10/11 4:23 p.m.
                                                     Re: It isn't just about Health PacksGeneral Vagueness 10/10/11 9:15 p.m.
                                   Re: READ THIS!Lurono 10/10/11 3:29 p.m.
                       Re: READ THIS!DEEP NNN 10/10/11 6:35 a.m.
                       Re: READ THIS!General Vagueness 10/10/11 8:43 a.m.
                             Re: READ THIS!General Vagueness 10/10/11 8:53 a.m.
           Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th MeleeNak3d Eli 10/9/11 7:34 p.m.
                 Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th MeleeLouis Wu 10/9/11 7:39 p.m.
                       Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th MeleeDEEP NNN 10/9/11 8:16 p.m.
                       Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th MeleeMiguel Chavez 10/9/11 11:26 p.m.
                             Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th Meleebluerunner 10/10/11 7:17 a.m.
                       Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th MeleeNak3d Eli 10/10/11 12:04 a.m.
                       Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th MeleeChris101b 10/10/11 1:04 a.m.
                             Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th MeleeFyreWulff 10/10/11 7:13 a.m.
           Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th MeleeDEEP NNN 11/1/11 7:02 a.m.
                 Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th MeleeGeneral Vagueness 11/1/11 10:33 a.m.
                       Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th MeleeDEEP NNN 11/1/11 11:44 a.m.
                             Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th MeleeGeneral Vagueness 11/1/11 5:34 p.m.
                                   Re: Health Bug Analysis - Test-On the 8th MeleeDEEP NNN 11/1/11 6:01 p.m.
                 I wouldn't get your hopes up if I were youChris101b 11/1/11 7:38 p.m.
                       Re: I wouldn't get your hopes up if I were youDEEP NNN 11/1/11 10:34 p.m.
                             Re: I wouldn't get your hopes up if I were youGeneral Vagueness 11/1/11 11:57 p.m.
                                   Re: I wouldn't get your hopes up if I were youDEEP NNN 11/2/11 5:55 a.m.
                                         Re: I wouldn't get your hopes up if I were youGeneral Vagueness 11/2/11 10:40 a.m.
                                               Re: I wouldn't get your hopes up if I were youDEEP NNN 11/2/11 2:41 p.m.
     I hope...JonnyOThan 10/10/11 3:26 p.m.
           Did you guys know about this bug?Chris101b 10/10/11 3:32 p.m.
                 Not to my knowledgeJonnyOThan 10/10/11 3:42 p.m.
                       Any bug? I've met some elusive bugs... *NM*uberfoop 10/10/11 4:08 p.m.



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