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Re: I think people missed the point..
Posted By: FyreWulff <mkidder@gmail.com>Date: 10/8/11 9:07 a.m.

In Response To: Re: I think people missed the point.. (ArteenEsben)


: I really like shield-popping for weapons like the pistol and DMR, It acts as
: a good indicator, to both the player and the opponent, as to when they are
: vulnerable to headshots. But I think the melee system in Reach could
: really do with shield bleedthrough. If I take out 90% of someone's shields
: with my weapons, my melee shouldn't just take out the last 10%. I'd have
: better luck just sprinting around double-meleeing everyone.

See, all I did was relearn to not melee until after the shield pop. In previous Halo games you were trained to melee as soon as you got close enough. In this case you will always kill them with one punch.

Now it's just replaced with a short spray (3 shots from DMR, and something like 6-9 from the AR) and melee for a kill. Melee is one of those things that come down to more of a matter of opinion, but in Reach's case the bleedthrough totally screws with how the balance and feedback is built around the shield pop.

I could write a whole long post on my opinion on this, but in Reach the shields are actually treated like a mechanic and not just a glorified extension of your HP like they were in 1, 2, and 3. Bleedthrough screws with this entirely. It worked in 1/2/3 because they were made with it in mind.

OPINION TIME

But this ties back into my previous posts that if 343 wanted to do all this, they should have waited for Halo 4. What is even the point of trying to change how Reach plays (and not even bothering to retune the entire sandbox) when Halo 4 is a year away and the game's been out for a year already? It feels like they have no confidence in their work. Very wishy washy implementation, trying to play the "cool uncle" role, and all of their efforts so far are playing it safe.

The reason I fell in love with Bungie is because they didn't play it safe. I imagine other people on HBO have similiar feelings. They even remarked in multiple interviews and the Vidoc ("INSIDER INFORMATION") that Microsoft told them they would be fine with Bungie just "taking it easy" with their final game under the contract. Bungie's response was to completely overhaul their engine, create a completely new story, and rebuild the majority of their multiplayer.

I want to see a 343 that doesn't play it safe. I want to see and be convinced that 343 isn't just going to try and remake Halo 2's sandbox for Halo 4. When I pick up a new Halo title I expect NEW experiences and NEW and IMPROVED multiplayer, not an attempt to make a game play like Halo 2.

fyrewulff dot com



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Health Pack Bug in Title UpdateNak3d Eli 10/8/11 2:10 a.m.
     Re: Health Pack Bug in Title UpdateFyreWulff 10/8/11 3:35 a.m.
     Red Dot says: "I don't think so Dave" *NM*kornman00 10/8/11 5:13 a.m.
           When they fix this glitch will she sing 'Daisy'? *NM*davidfuchs 10/8/11 7:05 a.m.
                 Now I have to spend all day computing pi! *NM*SonofMacPhisto 10/8/11 11:20 a.m.
     I don't like bleedthrough anyway. :/ *NM*Overdoziz 10/8/11 6:43 a.m.
           I think people missed the point..FyreWulff 10/8/11 7:06 a.m.
                 Re: I think people missed the point..ArteenEsben 10/8/11 8:05 a.m.
                       Re: I think people missed the point..FyreWulff 10/8/11 9:07 a.m.
                             My feelings exactly, Fyrewulff! *NM*Hyokin 10/8/11 10:21 a.m.
                             Re: I think people missed the point..ArteenEsben 10/8/11 12:31 p.m.
                                   Re: I think people missed the point..RC Master 10/8/11 5:32 p.m.
                                         Re: I think people missed the point..SonofMacPhisto 10/8/11 5:37 p.m.
                                         Re: I think people missed the point..ArteenEsben 10/9/11 11:56 a.m.
                                               Re: I think people missed the point..FyreWulff 10/9/11 12:21 p.m.
                                                     Re: I think people missed the point..Quirel 10/9/11 1:21 p.m.
                                                           Re: I think people missed the point..Leisandir 10/9/11 1:42 p.m.
                                                     Re: I think people missed the point..General Vagueness 10/9/11 6:32 p.m.
                       Re: I think people missed the point..General Vagueness 10/9/11 6:17 p.m.
                 Re: I think people missed the point..Overdoziz 10/8/11 8:54 a.m.
                       Re: I think people missed the point..FyreWulff 10/8/11 9:08 a.m.
                 Re: I think people missed the point..General Vagueness 10/9/11 5:33 p.m.
                       Re: I think people missed the point..General Vagueness 10/9/11 5:34 p.m.
                       Re: I think people missed the point..RC Master 10/9/11 8:01 p.m.
                             Wait, what?uberfoop 10/9/11 8:06 p.m.
                                   Re: Wait, what?General Vagueness 10/9/11 9:46 p.m.
                                   Re: Wait, what?RC Master 10/10/11 11:11 a.m.
                                         Re: Wait, what?General Vagueness 10/10/11 8:43 p.m.
                                               Re: Wait, what?RC Master 10/11/11 5:42 a.m.
                                                     Re: Wait, what?General Vagueness 10/11/11 11:15 a.m.
                                                           Re: Wait, what?Louis Wu 10/11/11 11:21 a.m.
                                                           Oh, come on.uberfoop 10/11/11 11:46 a.m.
                                                           Re: Wait, what?RC Master 10/11/11 12:58 p.m.
                                                                 editRC Master 10/11/11 1:08 p.m.
                                                                       Re: TUGeneral Vagueness 10/11/11 8:30 p.m.
                                                                             Re: TURC Master 10/12/11 7:43 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: TUGeneral Vagueness 10/12/11 1:00 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: TURC Master 10/13/11 7:56 a.m.
           I do like it, at least in principle.Gravemind 10/8/11 3:39 p.m.
     Re: Health Pack Bug in Title UpdateDEEP NNN 10/8/11 7:29 a.m.
     Re: Health Pack Bug in Title Update (More to it?)DEEP NNN 10/8/11 8:23 a.m.
           Re: Health Pack Bug in Title Update (More to it?)Louis Wu 10/8/11 8:47 a.m.
                 Re: Health Pack Bug in Title Update (More to it?)DEEP NNN 10/8/11 8:55 a.m.
                       Re: Health Pack Bug in Title Update (More to it?)DEEP NNN 10/8/11 10:03 a.m.
                             Re: Health Pack Bug in Title Update (More to it?)FyreWulff 10/8/11 10:34 a.m.
                             Re: Health Pack Bug in Title Update (More to it?)kanbo 10/8/11 1:40 p.m.
                                   ROFL *NM*RC Master 10/8/11 5:49 p.m.
                       Re: Health Pack Bug in Title Update (More to it?)iKim1213 10/8/11 3:41 p.m.
                             Re: Health Pack Bug in Title Update (More to it?)DEEP NNN 10/8/11 4:02 p.m.
                                   Re: Health Pack Bug in Title Update My test filmDEEP NNN 10/8/11 6:02 p.m.
                 Re: Health Pack Bug in Title Update (More to it?)FyreWulff 10/8/11 9:11 a.m.
                 Re: Health Pack Bug in Title Update (More to it?)Nak3d Eli 10/8/11 7:01 p.m.
     Not much different then Swat! *NM*Captain Spark 10/8/11 11:07 a.m.
     Re: Health Pack Bug in Title UpdateDEEP NNN 10/12/11 9:44 a.m.
           Re: Health Pack Bug in Title UpdateFrankie 10/12/11 5:05 p.m.
                 Re: Health Pack Bug in Title UpdateDEEP NNN 10/12/11 5:16 p.m.
     Re: Health Pack Bug in Title UpdateDer Flatulator6 10/12/11 4:40 p.m.
           Re: Health Pack Bug in Title UpdateDEEP NNN 10/12/11 5:25 p.m.
                 Re: Health Pack Bug in Title UpdateDer Flatulator6 10/13/11 4:02 a.m.
                       Re: Health Pack Bug in Title UpdateDEEP NNN 10/13/11 5:55 a.m.



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