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Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...
Posted By: General Battuta <seth.dickinson@gmail.com>Date: 9/27/10 10:18 a.m.

In Response To: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached... ) (Anton P. Nym (aka Steve))


: All Bungie stories require work to fully appreciate; many of the threads and
: themes are intimated rather than stated, and have been at least since
: Pathways Into Darkness . It's rather late in the studio's life-cycle to
: start complaining about it now.

What is this bizarre assumption that I didn't play previous Bungie titles? I sunk a lot of hours into Marathon, Oni, and previous Halo games.

Reach does not live up to this standard.

You misunderstand 'work'. I do not mean intellectual work to appreciate the themes and threads of the story. I mean I have to come up with reasons to convince myself to care about the characters in Reach. I did not have to do this before.

: Kat would not have been free to make Carter's counter-threat to Halsey when
: threatened with the brig, at the end of Sword Base. This is important in
: that it preserves Noble Team's independance from Halsey; without that,
: then Noble would've been Halsey's to control through blackmail... making
: the story between Sword Base and The Package essentially moot.

: Leadership tasks would've forced KAT to delegate the hacking/technical stuff
: to another team-member; a combat leader can't afford to be heads-down on a
: comm link and lose situational awareness... in essence, it would've
: necessitated another Kat in the team.

: Kat's death is thematically important; just as she's warming to Six, blammo.
: That's not (IMO) by studio caprice, but rather to reinforce the sense of
: loss and of being backed into a corner that's necessary to the story's
: emotional impact.

None of these reasons strike me as particularly compelling.

: Kat and Carter make for a necessary duo, as each acts as an expository foil
: for the other. (The same way Jorge and Emile do.) Eliminating Carter
: without replacing him with a comparable figure would make exposition a lot
: clumsier.

Jun was underused. Make him the foil for Kat. Of course the exposition in general was bad, and should have been streamlined.

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I've become attached...GrimBrother One 9/27/10 8:55 a.m.
     Re: I've become attached...General Battuta 9/27/10 9:02 a.m.
           Re: I've become attached...DHalo 9/27/10 10:02 a.m.
           Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached... )Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/27/10 10:09 a.m.
                 Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...General Battuta 9/27/10 10:18 a.m.
                       Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/27/10 10:42 a.m.
                             Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...wolfman 9/27/10 10:51 a.m.
                                   Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...General Battuta 9/27/10 11:33 a.m.
                                         Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...wolfman 9/27/10 12:15 p.m.
                                               Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...General Battuta 9/27/10 12:30 p.m.
                                   Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...Bleezie 9/27/10 8:35 p.m.
                                         Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...ZaneZavin 9/27/10 9:25 p.m.
                                         Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...General Battuta 9/28/10 12:56 a.m.
                                               Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...Louis Wu 9/28/10 4:51 a.m.
                                                     Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...General Battuta 9/28/10 8:51 a.m.
                                                           Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...Wayward Spleen™ 9/28/10 9:06 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...Hawaiian Pig 9/28/10 1:08 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...Louis Wu 9/28/10 1:48 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...Hawaiian Pig 9/28/10 2:24 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...Louis Wu 9/28/10 2:28 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...Cody Miller 9/28/10 2:30 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...Wayward Spleen™ 9/28/10 2:32 p.m.
                                                                                                     African or European? *NM*thebruce0 9/28/10 2:47 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...Hawaiian Pig 9/28/10 2:33 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...Wayward Spleen™ 9/28/10 2:37 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...Wayward Spleen™ 9/28/10 1:56 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...Hawaiian Pig 9/28/10 2:30 p.m.
                             Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...LionoftheMorning 9/27/10 11:15 a.m.
                                   Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...DHalo 9/27/10 2:10 p.m.
                                   Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...uberfoop 9/27/10 4:40 p.m.
                             Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...General Battuta 9/27/10 11:32 a.m.
                                   Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...Louis Wu 9/27/10 12:23 p.m.
                                         Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...General Battuta 9/27/10 12:32 p.m.
                                               Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...General Battuta 9/27/10 12:36 p.m.
                                                     Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...DHalo 9/27/10 2:17 p.m.
                                                           Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...General Battuta 9/27/10 2:53 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...DHalo 9/27/10 3:47 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...Beckx 9/27/10 4:06 p.m.
                                                                       Deux Ex *NM*Spec ops Grunt 9/27/10 4:26 p.m.
                                                                       Would anyone mind if the campaigns did that?Leviathan 9/27/10 6:09 p.m.
                                                                             I tend to agreepadraig08 9/27/10 6:25 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Would anyone mind if the campaigns did that?thebruce0 9/28/10 8:27 a.m.
                                               Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...Louis Wu 9/27/10 12:45 p.m.
                                   Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/27/10 4:53 p.m.
                                         You've got too much time on your hands already :p *NM*Ragashingo 9/27/10 5:25 p.m.
                                               Nah.Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/27/10 5:41 p.m.
                                         Win. *NM*thebruce0 9/28/10 8:30 a.m.
                       They are basically equalschris101b 9/27/10 11:12 a.m.
                             Re: They are basically equalsGeneral Battuta 9/27/10 11:34 a.m.
                                   Re: They are basically equals *SP*Harmanimus 9/27/10 6:10 p.m.
                                         This *NM*DHalo 9/27/10 6:51 p.m.
                                         I concur. *NM*Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/27/10 7:06 p.m.
                                         Re: They are basically equals *SP*SonofMacPhisto 9/27/10 7:33 p.m.
                                         Re: They are basically equals *SP*General Battuta 9/28/10 12:37 a.m.
                 Re: Now with *SP* (was Re: I've become attached...Kermit 9/27/10 11:27 a.m.
     Re: I've become attached...reprobate 9/27/10 10:02 a.m.
           *SP*RC Master 9/27/10 10:04 a.m.
                 You all know you were thinking it, too. :D I was. *NM*DHalo 9/27/10 2:19 p.m.
                       Re: You all know you were thinking it, too. :D I wreprobate 9/27/10 4:13 p.m.
     Get a glimpse of her underneath everything.OMGIts Renegade 9/27/10 10:47 a.m.
     Re: I've become attached...GrimBrother IV 9/27/10 11:08 a.m.
           Re: I've become attached...GrimBrother One 9/27/10 11:53 a.m.
     Re: I've become attached...Ragashingo 9/27/10 12:53 p.m.



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