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Re: Still a bad FR plan though...
Posted By: Dark OneDate: 7/15/05 5:02 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Still a bad FR plan though... (Peptuck)

: The humans certainly didn't do a good job of stopping the spread on Delta
: Halo. Hell, they lost their ship to the Flood in the first place.

That was because of the Gravemind.

: The only person who can fight the flood and win is teh Chief. No one else has
: been able to defeat the Flood. Even the Marines suffered massive
: casualties in their assault on the Library.

What do you mean defeat the Flood?

: Not from my observations. I don't think the humans have the tech to go even
: with the Flood, myself. I mean, the Covenant certainly don't....granted, I
: think humans can be far more ruthless and efficient than the Forerunner
: were, however. The Forerunner might hesitate to use NOVAs against the
: Flood. We won't :P

The Covenant are definitely capable, if they weren't watered down in politics and religion.

: It depends, though, on why the Flood needed study. What if the Flood
: themselves contained a means to transcend the physical? Immortality? What
: secrets does the Flood biology hold?

We know the Flood DNA can have regenerative effects.

: The Forerunner let the flood live for a reason. I want to know what the hell
: that reason was, because I suspect its a damn good one.

They may have had another enemy and they wanted to find a way to control the Flood. Who's to say they didn't create the Flood? Why would any of the AIs know that? Does anyone really believe the Forerunners didn't run their own black ops at the expense of their survival?

Towards the general topic:

The Halos were ultimately intended to prevent the spread of the Flood. The maximum Flood lifespan is litereally days after infecting a host, except in cases like maybe the brain form and, naturally, the Gravemind. Once an infection form infects a host it will usually either turn into a combat form or carrier form. The carrier forms may last a few days at best, before bursting and releasing multiple infection forms. Combat forms will go a few days, but then they'll likely become a carrier form.

In order to make such changes and continue reproduction the Flood need a constant supply of food, in other words, organisms with sufficient mass and mental capacity to allow for a combat or carrier form. Without such a supply the Flood will eventually all turn into infection forms and enter hibernation. This would intiate a collection process on all Forerunner installations by the AI and sentinels. The infection forms would be put into cells and locked up.

Cortana likely misunderstands the Forerunner's motives when she states the rings starve the Flood to death, perhaps from a lack of knowledge on Forerunner language and verbiage. The Flood do not starve. The Flood merely lose reproductive and growth capacity.

The easiest way to dispose of the Flood is while they are hibernating. However, that requires activating the Halos and either relying on the sentinels to do it or having possible Flood hosts survive.

I imagine every strategic option is likely not a very clear representation of what occured. I'm thinking thousands of planets or systems falling and/or many planets being literally destroyed by the Forerunner whil resulting in a massive loss of life would be a better representation. I'm thinking they had to either have been duped into it or literally approaching extinction themselves before they'd use Halo.

I think humans and Covenant are perfectly capable of containing the Flood as were the Forerunners, but they did not keep a clear focus. The Covenant began in-fighting and the UNSC is undoubtedly more worried about the Covenant. The Forerunner were obsessed with studying them. Perhaps an alliance between the elites and humanity would allow for the destruction of the Flood, assuming they kept that as their primary focus, or, at least destroying High Charity, the Gravemind and any captured ships. Any outbreaks on Forerunner installations would be dealt with by orbital bombardment or ODSTs. No means of escape would be allowed.

I'm thinking a containment protocol similar to Cole Protocol, with no groups willfully violating it like ONI, would be sufficient. Destruction of any means of escape from an installation would be top priority if containment off-system was impossible.


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I don't get the Forerunners thought process...Zeh 7/14/05 12:50 p.m.
     Re: I don't get the Forerunners thought process...Guardian [cheaptrickfan09] 7/14/05 12:53 p.m.
           lol *NM*Zeh 7/14/05 12:58 p.m.
     Re: I don't get the Forerunners thought process...Peptuck 7/14/05 12:57 p.m.
           Re: I don't get the Forerunners thought process...Zeh 7/14/05 1:06 p.m.
                 Re: I don't get the Forerunners thought process...Jinno 7/14/05 1:28 p.m.
                 Re: I don't get the Forerunners thought process...Peptuck 7/14/05 2:13 p.m.
                       Re: I don't get the Forerunners thought process...ajenteks 7/14/05 2:29 p.m.
                             Re: I don't get the Forerunners thought process...Devil Mingy 7/14/05 2:37 p.m.
                                   Still a bad FR plan though...Zeh 7/14/05 2:59 p.m.
                                         Re: Still a bad FR plan though...ajenteks 7/14/05 3:13 p.m.
                                               Re: Still a bad FR plan though...Peptuck 7/14/05 3:58 p.m.
                                                     Re: Still a bad FR plan though...ajenteks 7/14/05 4:03 p.m.
                                                           Re: Still a bad FR plan though...Peptuck 7/14/05 4:07 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Still a bad FR plan though...ajenteks 7/14/05 4:14 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Still a bad FR plan though...Peptuck 7/14/05 4:22 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Still a bad FR plan though...ajenteks 7/14/05 4:30 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Still a bad FR plan though...Peptuck 7/14/05 4:35 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Still a bad FR plan though...ajenteks 7/14/05 4:46 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Still a bad FR plan though...Peptuck 7/15/05 1:17 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Still a bad FR plan though...Dark One 7/15/05 5:02 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Still a bad FR plan though...Devil Mingy 7/14/05 4:36 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Still a bad FR plan though...ajenteks 7/14/05 4:40 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Still a bad FR plan though...Devil Mingy 7/14/05 4:41 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Still a bad FR plan though...ajenteks 7/14/05 4:47 p.m.
                                                           Re: Still a bad FR plan though...Devil Mingy 7/14/05 4:14 p.m.
                                                                 AgreedZeh 7/14/05 4:21 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Still a bad FR plan though...Peptuck 7/14/05 4:29 p.m.
                                                                 Wait... nevermind.Devil Mingy 7/14/05 4:31 p.m.
                                         Re: Still a bad FR plan though...Devil Mingy 7/14/05 3:14 p.m.
                                               More user friendly Halos....Zeh 7/14/05 3:28 p.m.
                                                     Re: More user friendly Halos....Devil Mingy 7/14/05 3:32 p.m.
                                                           Re: More user friendly Halos....Zeh 7/14/05 3:47 p.m.
                                                                 Re: More user friendly Halos....Devil Mingy 7/14/05 3:54 p.m.
                                                                       Scrith and Ant KillingZeh 7/14/05 4:18 p.m.
                                                                 Re: More user friendly Halos....Peptuck 7/14/05 4:03 p.m.
                                                           Re: More user friendly Halos....Devil Mingy 7/14/05 3:51 p.m.
                                                                 Re: More user friendly Halos....ajenteks 7/14/05 4:00 p.m.
                                                                       Re: More user friendly Halos....Devil Mingy 7/14/05 4:01 p.m.
                                                                       Re: More user friendly Halos....Peptuck 7/14/05 4:11 p.m.
                                                                             Re: More user friendly Halos....Devil Mingy 7/14/05 4:26 p.m.
                                                           Re: More user friendly Halos....ajenteks 7/14/05 3:53 p.m.
                                                                 Re: More user friendly Halos....Devil Mingy 7/14/05 3:58 p.m.
                                                                       Re: More user friendly Halos....ajenteks 7/14/05 4:10 p.m.
                                                                             Re: More user friendly Halos....Devil Mingy 7/14/05 4:17 p.m.
                                                                                   Besides...Devil Mingy 7/14/05 4:18 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Besides...ajenteks 7/14/05 4:22 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Besides...Peptuck 7/14/05 4:27 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Besides...ajenteks 7/14/05 4:34 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Besides...Devil Mingy 7/14/05 4:38 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Besides...ajenteks 7/14/05 4:52 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Besides...Peptuck 7/15/05 1:08 a.m.
                                                                 Re: More user friendly Halos....Peptuck 7/14/05 4:17 p.m.
                                                                       Re: More user friendly Halos....ajenteks 7/14/05 5:00 p.m.
                                         Let me rephrase this in another wayDevil Mingy 7/14/05 3:21 p.m.
                                               Re: Let me rephrase this in another wayajenteks 7/14/05 3:46 p.m.
                                                     good point *NM*Zeh 7/14/05 3:48 p.m.
     Re: I don't get the Forerunners thought process...ajenteks 7/14/05 1:16 p.m.
           It was actually this.....sh33p 7/14/05 2:28 p.m.
     It's probably a little more like thisDevil Mingy 7/14/05 2:08 p.m.



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