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Re: Press and Gameplay
Posted By: Xian	Date: 5/16/00 2:47 p.m.
In Response To: Press and Gameplay (CyberBob =PN=) > No reason to attack anybody. No *good* reason, perhaps, but it *is* a reason. I'm acidic by nature. > If it is your point that > the press is at fault then I agree with you, if your point is > though that the press does that because they have no other > choice of getting more news on account of the lack of > information Bungie provides, I still agree with you Exactly. Halo is getting press because it deserves it, but hype is being generated because there's only so much information. > Actually it is for us and all others. We have not seen what > Bungie did behind closed doors on their LAN and we will not get > any evidence on game play until we have a demo, or at least > until HALO is in beta, because then not friends will compete in > multi (the part that interests you most), but strangers... Then > the real game play comes up yes. Although we can see from the > movie what game play Bungie intended. Translating the above as best I can, you seem to be saying "Halo's gameplay is shakey because we've never seen it." While I agree that what we know about Halo's gameplay is shakey because we've never seen it, I'd say the actual gameplay is crystalizing in Bungie's offices. THEY know, they're just not tell us. > I know that it in your opinion > "gameplay" is defined by the way a game is played from > the players perspective, but his view is that "game > play" is not only this, but also the very subjective > "fun factor" which is not in your (and most other) > definitions of game play. And that's they point. He has an odd definition. MOST people understand this meaning of gameplay, otherwise the word would have very little meaning. I don't go around telling people their car tires are flat because I use an odd def where the cylinder height is less than the diameter... when a tire is "flat" people mean what they mean. > Actually they can be found but they have not been shown. But not enough to construct an accurate portrayal of gameplay. > It is a questions > for whom they create the game and the answer is for themselves, > so we can expect a game that plays for close teams who know each > other and are mostly fair to each other. Of course, it has many subjective elements, but action gaming and the shooting genre, have many specific element that are universal to the genre. What you describe are more "gimmicks" of genre melding than fundamental specifics. > And you are right all those nifty graphical/story things do not > measure up the style of play for the individual persons, but > what if you take those nifty things away, what have you then? A > game that has (in your definition) gameplay, but nothing else? Right. But I don't care if you have my favorite toppings if the pizza sauce is sour, the cheese is like rubber, and the crust is rock hard. The toppings a great, they add a lot... but the fundamentals are still what make a pizza a pizza. Gameplay is what makes a game a game. > Currently only for the engine, but us > fans who have seen so many small things can put together how the > game should be played. How the core functions are (I am talking > about handling the character and not about "squad based > combat", because in this definition it is not in the core > of gameplay (which Quake has) you want to see. The movie shows > things they plan for the single play, though since the single > player is based on the experiences they made in multi player, > you can draw conclusions on how the game is supposed to play. Yeah, but we've been drawing the same type conclusions since MWNY... the new footage only clears up a few things (that aren't content related). > I hope that did not sound to harsh to you, Not at all, you're actually quite reasonable. > You want to see gameplay, even more then we have seen. A lot of interesting things come out of the movie: walking speeds, damage, firing rates, etc. The problem comes from the fact it's all scripted. We can't be sure if what we're seeing is dramatic or not. If you accept that it is not at all influenced by artistic license, then the E3 movies tells quite a bit. Basically, if it wasn't scripted, I'd be perfectly happy (and, quite frankly, freaking amazed that they would be able to make a game that could do all that and be so dramatic). > You think that there is no actual gamplay in the movie, I think > otherwise, but our definition of gameplay differs, so you as > well as I may be right, or we are completely wrong and Bungie > changes direction and turns Halo into Quake 7. But I'm not sure anyone uses that definition of gameplay when applied to an action game. Ah well, whatever.

Message Index

Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Wirehead	5/16/00 6:01 a.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Forensic	5/16/00 6:17 a.m.
Amen. n/t	Zaff	5/16/00 8:15 a.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Case	5/16/00 7:33 p.m.
thats a logical score.	*mxyzptlk	5/16/00 8:45 a.m.
after reading the rest of the article....	*mxyzptlk	5/16/00 9:02 a.m.
Oooo... sarky pants...	Dfin'	5/16/00 8:49 a.m.
What a weak retort... -nt	Johnny Rotten	5/16/00 4:05 p.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Luke	5/16/00 7:00 a.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Redox	5/16/00 10:06 a.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Psyrixx	5/16/00 8:52 a.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Cannibal Harry =PN=	5/16/00 9:08 a.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Myndreach [OSC]	5/16/00 9:17 a.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Demandred	5/16/00 9:56 a.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Edgecrusher	5/16/00 1:52 p.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Cow Mutilator	5/16/00 10:00 a.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Hiro..	5/16/00 10:13 a.m.
Oni (nt)	David Oosha	5/16/00 11:14 a.m.
Hype Hurts	Xian	5/16/00 10:33 a.m.
Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt	Narcogen	5/16/00 11:06 a.m.
Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt	Xian	5/16/00 11:44 a.m.
Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt	Mark Levin	5/16/00 12:01 p.m.
Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt	Xian	5/16/00 12:40 p.m.
Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt	{BZ}SINginius	5/16/00 1:13 p.m.
Maybe.	Xian	5/16/00 1:30 p.m.
Wrong.	Nemesis	5/16/00 2:37 p.m.
Period? Hardly.	Xian	5/16/00 2:52 p.m.
Actually you may be wrong here.	CyberBob =PN=	5/16/00 3:42 p.m.
Re: Period? Hardly.	Nemesis	5/16/00 11:02 p.m.
Re: YOU filled out their words	Nemesis	5/16/00 11:23 p.m.
Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt	Mark Levin	5/16/00 1:48 p.m.
Realistic representation	Xian	5/16/00 2:13 p.m.
Re: Realistic representation	Mark Levin	5/16/00 3:03 p.m.
Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt	Demandred	5/16/00 5:17 p.m.
Xian : Do you WANT this game?	mad.max =PN=	5/16/00 1:46 p.m.
Re: Xian : Do you WANT this game?	Xian	5/16/00 2:24 p.m.
You snipped my book analogy	mad.max =PN=	5/16/00 3:59 p.m.
Re: You snipped my book analogy	Louis Wu	5/16/00 11:49 p.m.
Press and Gameplay	CyberBob =PN=	5/16/00 1:48 p.m.
Re: Press and Gameplay	Xian	5/16/00 2:47 p.m.
Solely gameplay.	CyberBob =PN=	5/16/00 2:58 p.m.
Re: Press and Gameplay	Dan Rudolph	5/16/00 5:47 p.m.
Re: Press and Gameplay	Shadowfax	5/16/00 5:22 p.m.
Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt	Nemesis	5/16/00 2:31 p.m.
Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt	Xian	5/16/00 3:00 p.m.
Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt	Nemesis	5/16/00 11:18 p.m.
Things LOOK pretty fun ALREADY	Troy Lawlor	5/16/00 6:59 p.m.
Tribes2 score should have been lower	Ragnarok	5/16/00 1:24 p.m.
Re: Tribes2 score should have been lower	Demandred	5/16/00 1:26 p.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Dfin'	5/16/00 11:31 a.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Mark Levin	5/16/00 11:51 a.m.
Lemme clear this up...	Xian	5/16/00 12:29 p.m.
Hey Matt... how about some answers?	Dfin'	5/17/00 3:22 a.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Johnny Rotten	5/16/00 1:59 p.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Moose-Factory	5/16/00 2:14 p.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Johnny Rotten	5/16/00 4:03 p.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Moose-Factory	5/16/00 4:20 p.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Dead Glory	5/16/00 4:40 p.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Demandred	5/16/00 5:26 p.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Johnny Rotten	5/16/00 6:50 p.m.
we haven't seen much indoor yet though...	eric	5/16/00 8:37 p.m.
Indoor environments...	Moose-Factory	5/16/00 10:23 p.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	Troy Lawlor	5/16/00 6:48 p.m.
Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4	eric	5/16/00 3:15 p.m.