Posts on Current Forum | Archived Posts
|
|
|
||
|
||||
|
||||
|
||||
| Frequently Asked Forum Questions | |
|||
|
||||
|
|
|||
| ||||
| ||||
| ||||
| Search Older Posts on This Forum: Posts on Current Forum | Archived Posts | ||||
| ||||
| ||||
| ||||
| Lemme clear this up... | |
| Posted By: Xian | Date: 5/16/00 12:29 p.m. |
In Response To: Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 (Mark Levin) > I don't think too much should be read into this article... I agree with this. But lemme clear up a misconception.... > The writer says that Bungie showed no gameplay at E3, but from
"Reflect" is probably correct, but only if the footage is analyzed atomically. Having seen the movie, I seriously doubt it reflects an identical gameplay situation. It was scripted together for dramatic effect and attempted to show off elements of both multiplayer and single player simultaneously. First, let's analyze it from the single player viewpoint. If this is how the game plays in single player, then you either have: 1. Amazing AI beyond anything seen before.
Now if it was 1, then Bungie would not shut up about AI like this. There's no way they would talk about all their other technology and NOT talk about this. I can only assume it is not AI. That is- if you put some BOBs on a user created map they will not behave on this level competely autonomously. The second possibility is that single player events occur with tons of scripting. Well, maybe, but that brings up a lot of issues like "What if you had not been there to snipe?" "What if they already had a sniper and you wanted to snipe?" "Are events going to occur exactly the same every single time... if not, can I simply reload over and over until they get it right?" and so on. Completely scripting CPU behavior, in general, is not an ideal situation. The third possibility is that their is either a planning phase or a mixture of scripting/AI... but the former makes it less of an action game and the latter still doesn't resolve a lot of the issues. What then... am I assuming? I'm assuming, that- more or less- the BOB combat reflected multiplayer. Of course, there was a lot of dramatic behavior that wouldn't occur in multiplayer. There also probably won't be a specific player picked out to be The One who gets to be the cyborg. There's that whole camera angle thing, too. ;-) Basically, the movie was made to show off more art content and spark imaginations (including Bungie's, I believe... I think it gives them something to aspire for Halo to become). If you view specific moments atomically ("How did that gun fire?" "What happens when you powerslide?" "How much blood indicates a hit?") gameplay is revealed, but I don't think this reflects something you can play through from beginning to end. The biggest evidence? Bungie didn't say it. If they wanted to dominate the show, all they had to say was "This is Matt playing through a mission. We've only changed the angles for dramatic effect. Thank you." Halo would have OWNED everyone at that point. Hands down. But the fact is it is a scripted sequence and it is mind candy... not gameplay. | |
|
| Replies: |
| Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Wirehead | 5/16/00 6:01 a.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Forensic | 5/16/00 6:17 a.m. |
| Amen. n/t | Zaff | 5/16/00 8:15 a.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Case | 5/16/00 7:33 p.m. |
| thats a logical score. | *mxyzptlk | 5/16/00 8:45 a.m. |
| after reading the rest of the article.... | *mxyzptlk | 5/16/00 9:02 a.m. |
| Oooo... sarky pants... | Dfin' | 5/16/00 8:49 a.m. |
| What a weak retort... -nt | Johnny Rotten | 5/16/00 4:05 p.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Luke | 5/16/00 7:00 a.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Redox | 5/16/00 10:06 a.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Psyrixx | 5/16/00 8:52 a.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Cannibal Harry =PN= | 5/16/00 9:08 a.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Myndreach [OSC] | 5/16/00 9:17 a.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Demandred | 5/16/00 9:56 a.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Edgecrusher | 5/16/00 1:52 p.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Cow Mutilator | 5/16/00 10:00 a.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Hiro.. | 5/16/00 10:13 a.m. |
| Oni (nt) | David Oosha | 5/16/00 11:14 a.m. |
| Hype Hurts | Xian | 5/16/00 10:33 a.m. |
| Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt | Narcogen | 5/16/00 11:06 a.m. |
| Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt | Xian | 5/16/00 11:44 a.m. |
| Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt | Mark Levin | 5/16/00 12:01 p.m. |
| Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt | Xian | 5/16/00 12:40 p.m. |
| Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt | {BZ}SINginius | 5/16/00 1:13 p.m. |
| Maybe. | Xian | 5/16/00 1:30 p.m. |
| Wrong. | Nemesis | 5/16/00 2:37 p.m. |
| Period? Hardly. | Xian | 5/16/00 2:52 p.m. |
| Actually you may be wrong here. | CyberBob =PN= | 5/16/00 3:42 p.m. |
| Re: Period? Hardly. | Nemesis | 5/16/00 11:02 p.m. |
| Re: YOU filled out their words | Nemesis | 5/16/00 11:23 p.m. |
| Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt | Mark Levin | 5/16/00 1:48 p.m. |
| Realistic representation | Xian | 5/16/00 2:13 p.m. |
| Re: Realistic representation | Mark Levin | 5/16/00 3:03 p.m. |
| Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt | Demandred | 5/16/00 5:17 p.m. |
| Xian : Do you WANT this game? | mad.max =PN= | 5/16/00 1:46 p.m. |
| Re: Xian : Do you WANT this game? | Xian | 5/16/00 2:24 p.m. |
| You snipped my book analogy | mad.max =PN= | 5/16/00 3:59 p.m. |
| Re: You snipped my book analogy | Louis Wu | 5/16/00 11:49 p.m. |
| Press and Gameplay | CyberBob =PN= | 5/16/00 1:48 p.m. |
| Re: Press and Gameplay | Xian | 5/16/00 2:47 p.m. |
| Solely gameplay. | CyberBob =PN= | 5/16/00 2:58 p.m. |
| Re: Press and Gameplay | Dan Rudolph | 5/16/00 5:47 p.m. |
| Re: Press and Gameplay | Shadowfax | 5/16/00 5:22 p.m. |
| Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt | Nemesis | 5/16/00 2:31 p.m. |
| Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt | Xian | 5/16/00 3:00 p.m. |
| Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt | Nemesis | 5/16/00 11:18 p.m. |
| Things LOOK pretty fun ALREADY | Troy Lawlor | 5/16/00 6:59 p.m. |
| Tribes2 score should have been lower | Ragnarok | 5/16/00 1:24 p.m. |
| Re: Tribes2 score should have been lower | Demandred | 5/16/00 1:26 p.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Dfin' | 5/16/00 11:31 a.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Mark Levin | 5/16/00 11:51 a.m. |
| Lemme clear this up... | Xian | 5/16/00 12:29 p.m. |
| Hey Matt... how about some answers? | Dfin' | 5/17/00 3:22 a.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Johnny Rotten | 5/16/00 1:59 p.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Moose-Factory | 5/16/00 2:14 p.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Johnny Rotten | 5/16/00 4:03 p.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Moose-Factory | 5/16/00 4:20 p.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Dead Glory | 5/16/00 4:40 p.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Demandred | 5/16/00 5:26 p.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Johnny Rotten | 5/16/00 6:50 p.m. |
| we haven't seen much indoor yet though... | eric | 5/16/00 8:37 p.m. |
| Indoor environments... | Moose-Factory | 5/16/00 10:23 p.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | Troy Lawlor | 5/16/00 6:48 p.m. |
| Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4 | eric | 5/16/00 3:15 p.m. |
The HBO Forum Archive is maintained with WebBBS 4.33. |