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Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt
Posted By: XianDate: 5/16/00 11:44 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt (Narcogen)

> Umm... people are stupid?

Certainly, but your arguments aren't much better....

> Of course, that won't happen, because their own publications
> won't be able to capitalize on the "unfair" hype.

Exactly, you just nulled your previous statements. So what exactly do you want from it? You're faulting the Press for being the Press? It would be nice if it was an objective information dispersing agency that worked towards informing us all (or better- apparently- if it always agreed with you)... but those days are long over for the large majority of newscasts, publications, & websites. You suddenly want one guy at a fansite to be the pillar of what the Press should be? Wake up! The womanizing, drooling, swag gathering folks at E3 are our press!

Also, I hardly believe Halo's gameplay is on the shakey ground you portray it to be. The game's engine is all but complete. Multiplayer is nearly finished with work on single player around the corner. Multiplayer is where the fundametals of gameplay are worked out and decided (that's the whole reason behind that development process). If you're saying they're still shakey after coming so far.... The fact is that Bungie's withholding the information as is their right. The site was wrong for having expectations otherwise, but there is plenty of gameplay to show if Bungie did so choose.

> Quake had gameplay?

Yeah. It did. You have a very odd definition of "gameplay" if you think otherwise.

> Well, I suppose if you're looking for little more than a
> polygon-pushing twitchfest in an environment of uniform
> grey-green (Quake) or brown-grey (Quake2) then I suppose the
> hype would seem a bit out of scale.

Better zip that up your bias is showing. The "twitchfest" you refer it is exactly where the id shooter's gameplay lies. Meanwhile, many fundamental specifics on Halo's gameplay are nowhere to be found. And that's what is in important to MANY gamers. The scripted sequences can be dramatic, the engine powerful, the graphics gorgeous, the models stylish, the story grand, and the idea/design sound... but IF IT PLAYS LIKE CRAP it's not an action game, much less a good one. Gamers are supposed to care about gameplay. If you think all that stuff can cover for bad gameplay or if you think all that equals gameplay... there's no point talking to you anymore.

Again, people wrongly expected to know more on how Halo plays... their fault. But true well rounded gamers know that the most important part of any game is its gameplay. For some Bungie fans, I suppose, that role might diminish as they're statisfied to praise whatever they give them... but gamers as a whole expect- at least- to know how a game plays.

> I disagree. I think some *do* go out of there way to leverage
> the hype around a game getting a lot of attention by executing a
> simplistic maneuver:

Fine whatever. Shock jock? Most shock jock websites fail to be visited for anything but their humor value after a while. Considering how many people from this board visit it, I doubt it to be such a site (though I can't really base it upon my experiences). But like I said... whatever.


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Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Wirehead 5/16/00 6:01 a.m.
     Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Forensic 5/16/00 6:17 a.m.
           Amen. n/tZaff 5/16/00 8:15 a.m.
                 Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Case 5/16/00 7:33 p.m.
           thats a logical score.*mxyzptlk 5/16/00 8:45 a.m.
                 after reading the rest of the article....*mxyzptlk 5/16/00 9:02 a.m.
           Oooo... sarky pants...Dfin' 5/16/00 8:49 a.m.
           What a weak retort... -ntJohnny Rotten 5/16/00 4:05 p.m.
     Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Luke 5/16/00 7:00 a.m.
           Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Redox 5/16/00 10:06 a.m.
     Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Psyrixx 5/16/00 8:52 a.m.
     Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Cannibal Harry =PN= 5/16/00 9:08 a.m.
     Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Myndreach [OSC] 5/16/00 9:17 a.m.
     Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Demandred 5/16/00 9:56 a.m.
           Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Edgecrusher 5/16/00 1:52 p.m.
     Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Cow Mutilator 5/16/00 10:00 a.m.
     Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Hiro.. 5/16/00 10:13 a.m.
           Oni (nt)David Oosha 5/16/00 11:14 a.m.
     Hype HurtsXian 5/16/00 10:33 a.m.
           Re: Hyp(ocrit)es HurtNarcogen 5/16/00 11:06 a.m.
                 Re: Hyp(ocrit)es HurtXian 5/16/00 11:44 a.m.
                       Re: Hyp(ocrit)es HurtMark Levin 5/16/00 12:01 p.m.
                             Re: Hyp(ocrit)es HurtXian 5/16/00 12:40 p.m.
                                   Re: Hyp(ocrit)es Hurt{BZ}SINginius 5/16/00 1:13 p.m.
                                         Maybe.Xian 5/16/00 1:30 p.m.
                                               Wrong.Nemesis 5/16/00 2:37 p.m.
                                                     Period? Hardly.Xian 5/16/00 2:52 p.m.
                                                           Actually you may be wrong here.CyberBob =PN= 5/16/00 3:42 p.m.
                                                           Re: Period? Hardly.Nemesis 5/16/00 11:02 p.m.
                                                           Re: YOU filled out their wordsNemesis 5/16/00 11:23 p.m.
                                   Re: Hyp(ocrit)es HurtMark Levin 5/16/00 1:48 p.m.
                                         Realistic representationXian 5/16/00 2:13 p.m.
                                               Re: Realistic representationMark Levin 5/16/00 3:03 p.m.
                                         Re: Hyp(ocrit)es HurtDemandred 5/16/00 5:17 p.m.
                       Xian : Do you WANT this game?mad.max =PN= 5/16/00 1:46 p.m.
                             Re: Xian : Do you WANT this game?Xian 5/16/00 2:24 p.m.
                                   You snipped my book analogymad.max =PN= 5/16/00 3:59 p.m.
                                         Re: You snipped my book analogyLouis Wu 5/16/00 11:49 p.m.
                       Press and GameplayCyberBob =PN= 5/16/00 1:48 p.m.
                             Re: Press and GameplayXian 5/16/00 2:47 p.m.
                                   Solely gameplay.CyberBob =PN= 5/16/00 2:58 p.m.
                                   Re: Press and GameplayDan Rudolph 5/16/00 5:47 p.m.
                             Re: Press and GameplayShadowfax 5/16/00 5:22 p.m.
                       Re: Hyp(ocrit)es HurtNemesis 5/16/00 2:31 p.m.
                             Re: Hyp(ocrit)es HurtXian 5/16/00 3:00 p.m.
                                   Re: Hyp(ocrit)es HurtNemesis 5/16/00 11:18 p.m.
                       Things LOOK pretty fun ALREADYTroy Lawlor 5/16/00 6:59 p.m.
                 Tribes2 score should have been lowerRagnarok 5/16/00 1:24 p.m.
                       Re: Tribes2 score should have been lowerDemandred 5/16/00 1:26 p.m.
     Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Dfin' 5/16/00 11:31 a.m.
     Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Mark Levin 5/16/00 11:51 a.m.
           Lemme clear this up...Xian 5/16/00 12:29 p.m.
           Hey Matt... how about some answers?Dfin' 5/17/00 3:22 a.m.
     Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Johnny Rotten 5/16/00 1:59 p.m.
           Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Moose-Factory 5/16/00 2:14 p.m.
                 Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Johnny Rotten 5/16/00 4:03 p.m.
                       Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Moose-Factory 5/16/00 4:20 p.m.
                             Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Dead Glory 5/16/00 4:40 p.m.
                             Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Demandred 5/16/00 5:26 p.m.
                             Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Johnny Rotten 5/16/00 6:50 p.m.
                                   we haven't seen much indoor yet though...eric 5/16/00 8:37 p.m.
                                   Indoor environments...Moose-Factory 5/16/00 10:23 p.m.
                       Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4Troy Lawlor 5/16/00 6:48 p.m.
           Re: Shugashack gives Halo 6.4eric 5/16/00 3:15 p.m.



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