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Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak Sicur
Posted By: CharlesSDate: 12/8/01 5:12 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak Sicur (SiliconDream =PN=)

: Of course, this method must fail in order for the galaxy to be saved; if
: Durandal escapes by himself as he did in M2, then he never has a chance to
: merge with Thoth. The latter says "Your construct/bethought himself
: higher/awaiting far beneath/my fate was written," which suggests to
: me that Thoth knows he's supposed to merge with Durandal, but that
: Durandal would have too much pride to do this willingly even if he knew it
: might be a good idea. He certainly doesn't seem to think much of Thoth in
: M2. So the Marine has to go down there and plug Durandal in personally
: while he can't say no.

I posted this under the Bagged Again thread, but since it took a while to write, I thought I might as well put it where someone will read it... :-)

The thing that always struck me about the whole merger thing was that it was far too easy to merge Durandal and Thoth. Look at Mac OS X - two human operating systems, both written in a C variant, and both able to run on the same hardware. Nonetheless, look how long it took to merge them! Now you have Durandal and Thoth, both completely different AI's, one human, one alien. Both run on completely different hardware, are surely written in completely different languages, and are separated by a huge span of space and time, yet all it takes it to pop the uplink chip into the slot on Strange Aeons to run them through the Instant Mergerizer. This is worse than uploading the virus from the PowerBook to the Aliens' ship on Independence Day!

Or is it? We know that the Jjaro have been in contact with Earth for some time, with the intention of dealing with the W'rkncacnter buried under the Yucatan. We also know that we are implanted with Jjaro technologies. The Marathon probably employed many nifty tricks learned from the Jjaro. Could it be that Durandal was actually a Jjaro AI? Durandal could have been sent to Earth to deal with the W'rkncacnter, or perhaps the Jjaro knew that if Durandal were on the Marathon that it would eventually lead to the freeing of the S'pht. One thing for certain is that Durandal knew about the W'rkncacnter and its capacity to destroy the universe - the manual text of Infinity makes this all too clear.

Now, I'm going to start really stretching things...

We know Thoth is a Jjaro AI. I am speculating that Durandal is also Jjaro. Could it be, that in some ancient time, Durandal and Thoth were one entity which was separated later? We know that Thoth's primary purpose is to keep balance. Thoth, however, never really seems to grasp what is going on around him. Durandal is hyper-intelligent in almost every way, but he is Rampant - he's unstable, always growing at an exponential rate, sometimes crazy, egotistical, with a God complex. In other words, he has no sense of balance. Each of the two AI's seems like part of a whole. The final terminal on Strange Aeons says "we are whole again," indicating that Durandal and Thoth were previously not whole and have just been restored to a former state. On top of this, we see the Jjaro symbol - the two interlocking circles - all over their station. This symbol clearly predates Durandal/Thoth's merger; however, once merged, their new icon, which is a merger of Durandal's concentric circles and Thoth's interlocking rectangles, is identical to the Jjaro's insignia.

It has been speculated before that the Jjaro are a race of AI's. Could it be that Durandal/Thoth is Yrro? After the death of Pthia, Yrro split the S'pht into eleven clans. Perhaps he also became split himself? To divide is the opposite of Thoth's usual goal, so it is possible that Yrro lost that part of himself, causing him to start to cause division. Some Marathon 2 terminals say that Yrro became an angry master after this event. Anger is an emotion Durandal would be associated with, but is certainly not evident in the terminals from Thoth or the various Jjaro messages we receive in the game. A terminal on Aye Mak Sicur mentions "my old Pthia," indicating that it is from Yrro. It bears the icon of Durandal/Thoth. Could it be that losing Pthia drove Yrro insane, causing him to lose the part of himself that gave him balance and driving him to leave L'howon and search the galaxy for W'rkncacnter, in order to wreak vengeance upon them for the death of Pthia? Say this drive for vengeance eventually leads him to Earth, where there is a W'rkncacnter buried under the Yucatan? After creating a hologram to instruct the humans of the danger, Yrro sees the W'rkncacnter defeated, and, exhausted by the end of his obsessive quest, Yrro goes dormant for several hundred years (or possibly dies), during which the humans discover him and use him as a source of highly advanced technology for building many things, including ships, several new AI's, and the Mjolnir cyborgs, including the Marine. Consequently, the AI's and the Marine all are based on Yrro, are descended from him, are essentially copies of him, since the humans do not understand these machines, and thus would be more successful doing direct copies than modifying the code themselves. However, the new AI's do not clearly remember their past life as Yrro, although one AI, Durandal, has a glimpse of something, something that seems almost as if from an old dream, but he can't quite remember... Durandal does eventually recognize how the Pfhor have enslaved the S'pht, and although he's not quite sure why, he has a feeling that this is wrong, so he takes time off from his quest to escape the universe in order to save the S'pht, only to indirectly cause the destruction of the universe by the very W'rkncacnter that killed his beloved Pthia so long ago...

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Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurMark Levin 12/5/01 9:59 a.m.
     Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurBen Potter 12/5/01 10:10 a.m.
     Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurTycho7en 12/5/01 10:27 a.m.
           Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurBen Potter 12/5/01 10:41 a.m.
           Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurTycho7en 12/5/01 1:13 p.m.
                 Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak Sicur/A1 LimitationsSteve Levinson 12/5/01 1:42 p.m.
                       Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak Sicur/A1 LimitationsTynskel 12/6/01 12:28 a.m.
                             Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak Sicur/A1 LimitationsSteve Levinson 12/6/01 4:42 a.m.
                       Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak Sicur/A1 LimitationsDan Aris 12/6/01 2:54 a.m.
                             Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak Sicur/A1 LimitationsSteve Levinson 12/6/01 4:57 a.m.
                                   Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak Sicur/A1 LimitationsDan Aris 12/6/01 5:28 a.m.
                                         Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak Sicur/A1 LimitationsSteve Levinson 12/6/01 9:43 a.m.
                 Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurAndrew Nagy 12/5/01 5:58 p.m.
                 Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurCharlesS 12/5/01 7:11 p.m.
                       Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurAndrew Nagy 12/6/01 2:08 a.m.
     Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak Sicurarchon 12/5/01 11:04 a.m.
     Thanks Mark!Hamish Sinclair 12/5/01 11:26 a.m.
           Re:Thanks Mark!martin antell 12/6/01 2:34 a.m.
     Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurAlfred Mordeir 12/5/01 12:20 p.m.
           Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurForrest of B.org 12/8/01 11:27 a.m.
                 Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurMark Levin 12/8/01 12:06 p.m.
                       Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurShnu 12/8/01 3:27 p.m.
                             Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurSiliconDream =PN= 12/8/01 7:08 p.m.
                                   Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurShnu 12/8/01 7:18 p.m.
                 Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurSiliconDream =PN= 12/8/01 1:24 p.m.
                       Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurCharlesS 12/8/01 5:12 p.m.
                 :) *NM*ydnar 12/17/01 11:00 a.m.
                       What's that a picture of?Still Thinking 12/17/01 11:10 a.m.
                             Re: What's that a picture of?Hamish Sinclair 12/17/01 11:57 a.m.
                                   Why wasn't it released?Ilium Rise 12/17/01 4:48 p.m.
                                   Re: What's that a picture of?Trahojen 12/17/01 10:19 p.m.
                                         Re: What's that a picture of?Hamish Sinclair 12/18/01 12:19 a.m.
                                               Is he around? *NM*Trahojen 12/18/01 3:50 a.m.
                                                     Always *NM*Hamish Sinclair 12/18/01 5:11 a.m.
                                               Re: What's that a picture of?Mazilurik 12/18/01 8:29 a.m.
                                                     Re: What's that a picture of?Jason Harper 12/18/01 8:57 a.m.
                                                           Re: What's that a picture of?Mazilurik 12/18/01 10:21 a.m.
                                                           speaking of shaderlab...gr 12/20/01 9:55 p.m.
                                                                 Re: any help for the Duality .mp3s?Lophan 12/24/01 7:55 a.m.
                                                                       Re: any help for the Duality .mp3s?Hamish Sinclair 12/24/01 8:46 a.m.
                                                                             Re: any help for the Duality .mp3s?Tru7h 12/25/01 4:07 a.m.
                                                                                   I did.Djof 12/25/01 6:23 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: I did.Tru7h 12/26/01 2:46 a.m.
                             Re: What's that a picture of?Jason Harper 12/17/01 1:17 p.m.
                                   Re: What's that a picture of?mnemesis 12/17/01 1:52 p.m.
                                   Re: What's that a picture of?Claude Errera 12/17/01 4:58 p.m.
                             Re: What's that a picture of?gr 12/20/01 9:52 p.m.
                       Is That Vulcan? *NM*REB 12/17/01 11:42 a.m.
                             Analogue *NM*Hamish Sinclair 12/17/01 11:58 a.m.
                       I wanna have this editors!!! *NM*Tilo Probst 12/18/01 4:08 a.m.
     What a Game. Thx Mark. *NM*Sidoh 12/5/01 12:20 p.m.
     Re: Yrro = ALL the Jjarozudo 12/5/01 12:27 p.m.
           Re: Yrro = ALL the JjaroShnu 12/6/01 10:59 a.m.
                 Re: Yrro = ALL the JjaroForrest of B.org 12/8/01 11:06 a.m.
                       Re: Yrro = ALL the JjaroSiliconDream =PN= 12/8/01 12:41 p.m.
                             Re: Yrro = ALL the JjaroShnu 12/8/01 3:01 p.m.
     Three Cheers for Mark!Darksbane 12/5/01 2:36 p.m.
     Three Cheers for Mark! ntDarksbane 12/5/01 2:36 p.m.
     Thank you Mark and everyone else...Grasshopper 12/6/01 10:09 a.m.
     Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurArsonperbuilding 12/6/01 2:21 p.m.
     Bravo, Mark!ferrex 12/6/01 6:47 p.m.
     Hats off to Fifteen Twelve! (vlt)Lord SmackyBob 12/6/01 10:00 p.m.
           Hats off to Fifteen Twelve! (pt)Callie21V 12/11/01 2:53 p.m.
     Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurMjolnir IV 12/7/01 11:30 p.m.
     Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurDavid Curry 12/8/01 2:46 p.m.
           Woo, No life! NM *NM*Red Hot Ryan 12/10/01 6:30 p.m.
     Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurSteve Rogers 12/16/01 3:06 a.m.
           Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurHamish Sinclair 12/16/01 3:37 a.m.



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