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Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak Sicur/A1 Limitations
Posted By: Steve LevinsonDate: 12/6/01 4:57 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak Sicur/A1 Limitations (Dan Aris)

: Hey, they're working on it, OK? Do you think you could do better? They're
: trying to bring the code up to date, integrate dozens of new features,
: make it stable, and have a normal life all at the same time. It's not like
: these guys are getting paid for this, or have any kind of obligation
: beyond what they give themselves. There has been talk on the
: marathon-devel list recently about getting out a stable build with all the
: recent enhancements, and they're working on it. It's hard; I'm a bit of a
: programmer, and I know how hard it can be.

OK, OK - I know how difficult programming can be. Although my students do most of the work now, I had years of experience way back when and I know how difficult a project like this can be. I also know all *too* well how tempting it can be to add lots of new features before the basic code is finished. It's only natural. Writing new gee-wiz code is a lot more fun that tracking down and squashing bugs, optimizing existing code and polishing the rough edges. I've been guilty of this myself - particularly when I was a grad student - and getting my own students to optimize code and adequately comment/document it for the next student is, well, it just doesn't happen.

Don't get me wrong - I am *very* appreciative of everything Loren Petrich and the rest of the A1 team have done - but as a consumer, I have a legitimate gripe. Yes, the latest build improves compatibility with the Classic Environment in OS X, but A1 will be left in the dust if it isn't ported to carbon. I guess they can be forgiven in light of the time it's taking Adobe et al to bring out carbon versions of their software, and I know that I'm very impatient ;-) . I'm just saying that the open source community ought to focus on getting builds out the door that at least *match* what the infinity engine could do before adding new enhancements.

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Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurMark Levin 12/5/01 9:59 a.m.
     Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurBen Potter 12/5/01 10:10 a.m.
     Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurTycho7en 12/5/01 10:27 a.m.
           Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurBen Potter 12/5/01 10:41 a.m.
           Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurTycho7en 12/5/01 1:13 p.m.
                 Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak Sicur/A1 LimitationsSteve Levinson 12/5/01 1:42 p.m.
                       Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak Sicur/A1 LimitationsTynskel 12/6/01 12:28 a.m.
                             Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak Sicur/A1 LimitationsSteve Levinson 12/6/01 4:42 a.m.
                       Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak Sicur/A1 LimitationsDan Aris 12/6/01 2:54 a.m.
                             Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak Sicur/A1 LimitationsSteve Levinson 12/6/01 4:57 a.m.
                                   Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak Sicur/A1 LimitationsDan Aris 12/6/01 5:28 a.m.
                                         Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak Sicur/A1 LimitationsSteve Levinson 12/6/01 9:43 a.m.
                 Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurAndrew Nagy 12/5/01 5:58 p.m.
                 Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurCharlesS 12/5/01 7:11 p.m.
                       Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurAndrew Nagy 12/6/01 2:08 a.m.
     Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak Sicurarchon 12/5/01 11:04 a.m.
     Thanks Mark!Hamish Sinclair 12/5/01 11:26 a.m.
           Re:Thanks Mark!martin antell 12/6/01 2:34 a.m.
     Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurAlfred Mordeir 12/5/01 12:20 p.m.
           Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurForrest of B.org 12/8/01 11:27 a.m.
                 Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurMark Levin 12/8/01 12:06 p.m.
                       Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurShnu 12/8/01 3:27 p.m.
                             Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurSiliconDream =PN= 12/8/01 7:08 p.m.
                                   Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurShnu 12/8/01 7:18 p.m.
                 Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurSiliconDream =PN= 12/8/01 1:24 p.m.
                       Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurCharlesS 12/8/01 5:12 p.m.
                 :) *NM*ydnar 12/17/01 11:00 a.m.
                       What's that a picture of?Still Thinking 12/17/01 11:10 a.m.
                             Re: What's that a picture of?Hamish Sinclair 12/17/01 11:57 a.m.
                                   Why wasn't it released?Ilium Rise 12/17/01 4:48 p.m.
                                   Re: What's that a picture of?Trahojen 12/17/01 10:19 p.m.
                                         Re: What's that a picture of?Hamish Sinclair 12/18/01 12:19 a.m.
                                               Is he around? *NM*Trahojen 12/18/01 3:50 a.m.
                                                     Always *NM*Hamish Sinclair 12/18/01 5:11 a.m.
                                               Re: What's that a picture of?Mazilurik 12/18/01 8:29 a.m.
                                                     Re: What's that a picture of?Jason Harper 12/18/01 8:57 a.m.
                                                           Re: What's that a picture of?Mazilurik 12/18/01 10:21 a.m.
                                                           speaking of shaderlab...gr 12/20/01 9:55 p.m.
                                                                 Re: any help for the Duality .mp3s?Lophan 12/24/01 7:55 a.m.
                                                                       Re: any help for the Duality .mp3s?Hamish Sinclair 12/24/01 8:46 a.m.
                                                                             Re: any help for the Duality .mp3s?Tru7h 12/25/01 4:07 a.m.
                                                                                   I did.Djof 12/25/01 6:23 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: I did.Tru7h 12/26/01 2:46 a.m.
                             Re: What's that a picture of?Jason Harper 12/17/01 1:17 p.m.
                                   Re: What's that a picture of?mnemesis 12/17/01 1:52 p.m.
                                   Re: What's that a picture of?Claude Errera 12/17/01 4:58 p.m.
                             Re: What's that a picture of?gr 12/20/01 9:52 p.m.
                       Is That Vulcan? *NM*REB 12/17/01 11:42 a.m.
                             Analogue *NM*Hamish Sinclair 12/17/01 11:58 a.m.
                       I wanna have this editors!!! *NM*Tilo Probst 12/18/01 4:08 a.m.
     What a Game. Thx Mark. *NM*Sidoh 12/5/01 12:20 p.m.
     Re: Yrro = ALL the Jjarozudo 12/5/01 12:27 p.m.
           Re: Yrro = ALL the JjaroShnu 12/6/01 10:59 a.m.
                 Re: Yrro = ALL the JjaroForrest of B.org 12/8/01 11:06 a.m.
                       Re: Yrro = ALL the JjaroSiliconDream =PN= 12/8/01 12:41 p.m.
                             Re: Yrro = ALL the JjaroShnu 12/8/01 3:01 p.m.
     Three Cheers for Mark!Darksbane 12/5/01 2:36 p.m.
     Three Cheers for Mark! ntDarksbane 12/5/01 2:36 p.m.
     Thank you Mark and everyone else...Grasshopper 12/6/01 10:09 a.m.
     Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurArsonperbuilding 12/6/01 2:21 p.m.
     Bravo, Mark!ferrex 12/6/01 6:47 p.m.
     Hats off to Fifteen Twelve! (vlt)Lord SmackyBob 12/6/01 10:00 p.m.
           Hats off to Fifteen Twelve! (pt)Callie21V 12/11/01 2:53 p.m.
     Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurMjolnir IV 12/7/01 11:30 p.m.
     Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurDavid Curry 12/8/01 2:46 p.m.
           Woo, No life! NM *NM*Red Hot Ryan 12/10/01 6:30 p.m.
     Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurSteve Rogers 12/16/01 3:06 a.m.
           Re: Volunteers: Aye Mak SicurHamish Sinclair 12/16/01 3:37 a.m.



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