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Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines
Posted By: FrungiDate: 12/5/06 4:05 p.m.

In Response To: Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines (Icarus)

: My theory is that 2 identical universes cannot coexist and as such will
: destroy themselves and everyone in them. As Forrest points out there are a
: near infinite number of permutations concerning where I killed my
: alternate, when I killed my alternate, whether I killed my alternate, etc.
: But even in the unimaginable vastness of possibilities there MUST exist at
: least one in which the universes are made identical, and this I believe
: would cause their collapse.

I disagree with that theory because it’s too random. If this were the case, any timeline, including our own, could implode at any moment. Actually, if everything happens in every way in some branch of the timeline, many other timelines have already made themselves identical with our own. And what about the people and things in other timelines? Wouldn’t your alternate have been identical to you until you killed him (or not)?

: I disagree with Forrest in the sense of two
: converging (time)lines can diverge again and still remain stable. In all
: of the theories that describe universal structure, what is the one thing
: that cannot remain static? The answer is symmetry. Nature (of the Earth,
: of ideas, of the Universe) tends to favor asymetry. I believe that the
: universe (as a whole) NEEDS asymmetry, it cannot have identical
: sub-universes or timelines within it, as such in any hypothetical scenario
: where 2 universes would become identical, they would try to separate
: themselves, or diverge. This is simply not possible. Try super-glueing two
: pieces of paper together, then try and pull them apart. You can't without
: tearing both sheets.

Wouldn’t they just become one single universe? The superglue analogy makes no sense otherwise; if they’re still two separate but identical timelines, why would they need to separate?

: Furthermore, lets say, for the sake of discussion
: that 2 universes could coexist in symmetry or be identical, if this could
: happen it would mean that existence is infinite, and this cannot be. As
: the theory stands you can have every possibility, and every permutation of
: every event ever, but you still have limits. Even though the sum of all
: those possibilities is unimaginably large it is only near-infinite, NOT
: infinite. If you could have identical universes then there would indeed be
: a literally endless amount and existence would have to be infinite. As I
: said before, this cannot be because nonexistence (void,chaos,etc.) has to
: lie outside existence. Quite simply, without nonexistence there could be
: no existence, no reality.

Yin and yang, I get that. But you seem to be making some leaps in your thinking here. Could does not mean must, and the possibility for two identical timelines to exist doesn’t automatically mean that each of the near-infinite number of timelines has an infinite number of duplicates, or even that it necessarily has any. Besides, how could two different timelines even become identical when their pasts are different? By definition, they can’t be.

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W'rkncacnter and timelinesFrungi 11/28/06 10:01 p.m.
     Re: W'rkncacnter and timelinesForrest of B.org 11/29/06 7:12 a.m.
           Re: W'rkncacnter and timelinesFrungi 11/29/06 8:45 a.m.
                 Re: W'rkncacnter and timelinesForrest of B.org 11/29/06 12:09 p.m.
                       Re: W'rkncacnter and timelinesFrungi 11/29/06 4:55 p.m.
                             Re: W'rkncacnter and timelinesFrungi 11/29/06 5:06 p.m.
                                   Re: W'rkncacnter and timelinesForrest of B.org 11/29/06 10:33 p.m.
                                         Re: W'rkncacnter and timelinesForrest of B.org 11/29/06 10:39 p.m.
                                               Re: W'rkncacnter and timelinesFrungi 11/30/06 7:23 a.m.
                                                     Re: W'rkncacnter and timelinesIcarus 11/30/06 11:23 a.m.
                                                           Re: W'rkncacnter and timelinesForrest of B.org 11/30/06 1:48 p.m.
                                                                 Inane timelines questionFrungi 11/30/06 4:28 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Inane timelines questionForrest of B.org 12/1/06 7:49 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Inane timelines questionFrungi 12/1/06 8:32 p.m.
                                                           Re: W'rkncacnter and timelinesFrungi 11/30/06 4:32 p.m.
                                                                 Re: W'rkncacnter and timelinesIcarus 12/5/06 12:03 p.m.
                                                                 Re: W'rkncacnter and timelinesIcarus 12/5/06 12:04 p.m.
                                                                       Re: W'rkncacnter and timelinesIcarus 12/5/06 12:06 p.m.
                                                                             I thought that was your job. ;) *NM*MrHen 12/5/06 12:09 p.m.
                                                                       Re: W'rkncacnter and timelinesFrungi 12/5/06 4:05 p.m.

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