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Posted By: Icarus Date: 11/30/06 11:23 a.m.
In Response To: Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines (Frungi)

: Using MI-style time-travel, I expect it would go more like this: we get in a
: fight, you win, walk away, and BLAM! Now instead of me, you’re fighting
: Madonna and Nixon in a free-for-all. Why? Who knows?
: Seriously, that’s how I thought MI’s time-travel worked, since you don’t go
: back to the Marathon each time and start over. You’re just there,
: teleported through the ether (which is what I named the 5th dimension
: perpendicular to timelines). Don’t know what happens to the [?you] that
: was there [?before] you, though.
: Actually, if a being of pure chaos were capable of time-travel, I wouldn’t be
: surprised if it could unmake timelines. But then there’s no reason it
: wasn’t causing all sorts of havoc before* being released in MI’s alternate
: timelines, so maybe they can’t time-travel.
: *Before being released, relative to the timeline. After being released,
: relative to the W’rk, assuming they experience time in any comprehensible
: way.
: Is it possible, or even conceivable, that in one huge multi-time
: loop-the-loop, this W’rk war was responsible for the creation of Time, or
: even the entire universe? I imagine they made a pretty big bang.
I believe that time travel and alternate universes go hand in hand. Every possible outcome of every possible situation has its own universe. For example, there is an entire universe identical to this one with the exception that I am one inch taller, and there is also a universe in which the Earth has been destroyed and humanity doesn't exist, etc. Every possibility has its own universe. Time travel, in my opinion has absolutely nothing to do with time, it is simply a means by which to switch universes. Think about it, every moment that occurs in "time" is a set reality that differs from the one before it. If I shoot a bullet, it is not the bullet moving fluidly through time and space, but a series of realities in which the bullet is at different positions, these realities piled on top of one another create a composite event, events and occurences pile upon one another to create a universal structure complete with causality, logic, and all other such universe building tools.
Now apply this in a macroscopic sense. To use the cliche grandfather paradox, If I travel back in time to kill my grandfather before my father was born will I cease to exist? "I" as it pertains to the consciousness that chooses to kill the grandfather will continue existence in the new reality, however, the "I" that exists in the previous reality (the one I traveled from) will cease. Why? Because now that I have altered the structure of reality (in general) the links between the universe I left and the universe i now exist in will be irrevocably altered. Multi-linear timelines CAN be undone, but only through destruction (which really changes nothing) because, lets say that there are 2 universes completely identical to this except in one im and inch taller and in the other im an inch shorter; if i leave this universe through time-travel and go and kill the other mes in the 2 universes then return to this one it would inherently destroy both universes because they would become identical. They would collapse upon themselves.
In the Marathon univese I believe the predominant trait of the W'rks, chaos, is not chaos by our definition of disorder, but in fact chaos of the ancient definition. The orignial defining trait of chaos derived from mythology is void or nothingness. This can be applied to the theory of an infinite universe in such a way that existence is near infinite but ultimately limited (this includes all possible timelines, universes, ideas, matter, enrergy, .etc). Beyond existence is nonexistence which IS infinite since nonexistence occupies no physical or mental (try imagining nothing) space it lies outside the sphere of existence with its only trait being infinity. The W'rks exist obviously but they exist on the edge of nonexistence or chaos, this is what bestows them with the traits we have come to theorize.
In conclusion,
1. It is impossible for a W'rk to unravel a timeline because for it to do so it must exist, if it exists it is subject to the same rules as every other existent being no matter how far it can stretch them (laws of physics dont apply), so ultimately a W'rk could fracture time/space and destroy alternate universes by forcing their collapse but could not really change existence/time/the universe itself.
2. It is impossible for a W'rk war to have created the universe and or time for the same reason as above, since they exist in some sense they are too close to the problem. Like an electron trying to change the whole atom.
3. Where have the Jjaro gone? They transcended first, their world, then their galaxy, then the universe. They ascended into perpetual non-existence. On this path they encountered the W'rks at the metaphorical edge of existence and as such became at odds with them until they (Jjaro) surpassed the universe itself.

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Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines Forrest of B.org 11/29/06 7:12 a.m.

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Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines Forrest of B.org 11/29/06 12:09 p.m.

Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines Frungi 11/29/06 4:55 p.m.

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Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines Forrest of B.org 11/29/06 10:33 p.m.

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Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines Frungi 11/30/06 7:23 a.m.

Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines Icarus 11/30/06 11:23 a.m.

Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines Forrest of B.org 11/30/06 1:48 p.m.

Inane timelines question Frungi 11/30/06 4:28 p.m.

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Re: Inane timelines question Frungi 12/1/06 8:32 p.m.

Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines Frungi 11/30/06 4:32 p.m.

Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines Icarus 12/5/06 12:03 p.m.

Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines Icarus 12/5/06 12:04 p.m.

Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines Icarus 12/5/06 12:06 p.m.

I thought that was your job. ;) *NM* MrHen 12/5/06 12:09 p.m.

Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines Frungi 12/5/06 4:05 p.m.

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: I believe that time travel and alternate universes go hand in hand. Every : possible outcome of every possible situation has its own universe. For : example, there is an entire universe identical to this one with the : exception that I am one inch taller, and there is also a universe in which : the Earth has been destroyed and humanity doesn't exist, etc. Every : possibility has its own universe. Time travel, in my opinion has : absolutely nothing to do with time, it is simply a means by which to : switch universes. Think about it, every moment that occurs in : "time" is a set reality that differs from the one before it. If : I shoot a bullet, it is not the bullet moving fluidly through time and : space, but a series of realities in which the bullet is at different : positions, these realities piled on top of one another create a composite : event, events and occurences pile upon one another to create a universal : structure complete with causality, logic, and all other such universe : building tools. : Now apply this in a macroscopic sense. To use the cliche grandfather paradox, : If I travel back in time to kill my grandfather before my father was born : will I cease to exist? "I" as it pertains to the consciousness : that chooses to kill the grandfather will continue existence in the new : reality, however, the "I" that exists in the previous reality : (the one I traveled from) will cease. Why? Because now that I have altered : the structure of reality (in general) the links between the universe I : left and the universe i now exist in will be irrevocably altered. : Multi-linear timelines CAN be undone, but only through destruction (which : really changes nothing) because, lets say that there are 2 universes : completely identical to this except in one im and inch taller and in the : other im an inch shorter; if i leave this universe through time-travel and : go and kill the other mes in the 2 universes then return to this one it : would inherently destroy both universes because they would become : identical. They would collapse upon themselves. : In the Marathon univese I believe the predominant trait of the W'rks, chaos, : is not chaos by our definition of disorder, but in fact chaos of the : ancient definition. The orignial defining trait of chaos derived from : mythology is void or nothingness. This can be applied to the theory of an : infinite universe in such a way that existence is near infinite but : ultimately limited (this includes all possible timelines, universes, : ideas, matter, enrergy, .etc). Beyond existence is nonexistence which IS : infinite since nonexistence occupies no physical or mental (try imagining : nothing) space it lies outside the sphere of existence with its only trait : being infinity. The W'rks exist obviously but they exist on the edge of : nonexistence or chaos, this is what bestows them with the traits we have : come to theorize. : In conclusion, : 1. It is impossible for a W'rk to unravel a timeline because for it to do so : it must exist, if it exists it is subject to the same rules as every other : existent being no matter how far it can stretch them (laws of physics dont : apply), so ultimately a W'rk could fracture time/space and destroy : alternate universes by forcing their collapse but could not really change : existence/time/the universe itself. : 2. It is impossible for a W'rk war to have created the universe and or time : for the same reason as above, since they exist in some sense they are too : close to the problem. Like an electron trying to change the whole atom. : 3. Where have the Jjaro gone? They transcended first, their world, then their : galaxy, then the universe. They ascended into perpetual non-existence. On : this path they encountered the W'rks at the metaphorical edge of existence : and as such became at odds with them until they (Jjaro) surpassed the : universe itself.

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W'rkncacnter and timelines	Frungi	11/28/06 10:01 p.m.
Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines	Forrest of B.org	11/29/06 7:12 a.m.
Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines	Frungi	11/29/06 8:45 a.m.
Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines	Forrest of B.org	11/29/06 12:09 p.m.
Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines	Frungi	11/29/06 4:55 p.m.
Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines	Frungi	11/29/06 5:06 p.m.
Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines	Forrest of B.org	11/29/06 10:33 p.m.
Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines	Forrest of B.org	11/29/06 10:39 p.m.
Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines	Frungi	11/30/06 7:23 a.m.
Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines	Icarus	11/30/06 11:23 a.m.
Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines	Forrest of B.org	11/30/06 1:48 p.m.
Inane timelines question	Frungi	11/30/06 4:28 p.m.
Re: Inane timelines question	Forrest of B.org	12/1/06 7:49 a.m.
Re: Inane timelines question	Frungi	12/1/06 8:32 p.m.
Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines	Frungi	11/30/06 4:32 p.m.
Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines	Icarus	12/5/06 12:03 p.m.
Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines	Icarus	12/5/06 12:04 p.m.
Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines	Icarus	12/5/06 12:06 p.m.
I thought that was your job. ;) NM	MrHen	12/5/06 12:09 p.m.
Re: W'rkncacnter and timelines	Frungi	12/5/06 4:05 p.m.



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