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Re: AI Rampancy untouched
Posted By: scarabDate: 10/20/12 5:28 a.m.

In Response To: Re: AI Rampancy untouched (General Vagueness)


: What are you talking about? Almost every society is like that.

I think its the nepotism. I prefer democracies, the least bad form of government. The military has too much say in government in the Haloverse and now we have the suggestion that who your parent is gives you privileged entry into the military academies that determine who gets to be an officer and therefore who has the privilege to send their own children to the same academies. It seems a touch too cozy an arrangement.

You might expect the military to be a meritocracy, though it is made of people so you know personal politics will be involved, nevertheless secure should mean: don't mess with this! and people's advancement in the military should be based solely on accomplishment.

It may be that the powerful families are producing good officer candidates but we have seen from history that you can't expect this to hold for every generation. Maybe this would lead to families losing power but we can guess this would lead to problems because families become used to privilege and may not go gracefully.

The Halo games are war games so, of course, they concentrate on the military but even accounting for that it appears that the military has too much influence in their society and I don't think that is healthy. I took an immediate dislike to gen Black, that student feels comfortable hacking secure systems because he 'knows' Dima's mom will say it's OK, and they haven't anticipated that colonies will, in time, expect autonomy.

The innies aren't being nice but it's not like you couldn't foresee these problems arising and I don't think that Spartans are the best answer to giving your citizens good lives. Innies weren't born innies. They were citizens who decided that they didn't want to remain citizens because they didn't like their marginalized position in your society.

I don't know if self governance is a right but I do see it as a reasonable expectation and aspiration. I think that it would have been better to anticipate future citizen's needs and to have made allowance for transition or devolution of power, to grant a degree of autonomy to the colonies in the hope that we could maintain peaceful co-existence and cordial and profitable business relations with them. I would prefer this to inventing more effective ways of killing them or suppressing dissent.

Imagine if the Brits had had Spartans in the 1770s. Actually maybe things would have calmed down after Washington and his ilk had been put down and the uppity yanks had been put in their place. But could the Brits have maintained the peace without constant suppression given the continuing inequities of the colonial situation?

Getting back to the nepotism...

I think that:Black's attitude towards the innies, his demonizing and misrepresentation of their case, the obvious self interest of the ruling families - suggests that it is the attitude of those in power and the nature of their government that has lead to the problems arising in the first place and also suggest that a fair solution will not be forthcoming. Adding Spartans into this mixture just makes the problem worse. I don't think that having more effective means of suppressing your citizens leads to a fairer society.

Just a thought... maybe this could be developed and the next set of games after the Reclaimer Saga could feature internal war between humans, Spartan Vs Anti-Spartans, a Mass Effect style game were you get to chose the outcome based on your political leanings and personal biases.

  • Does Earth win?
  • the colonies?
  • Do they reach a compromise agreement?
  • Release a doomsday weapon (Halos? Flood?)?
  • Get taken by the resurgent former Covie races or Forerunners?

You get to make difficult choices and there is a lot of forum friction and political debate. ;-) Wu will love that one.

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FUD Episode 3 Here.Rice 10/19/12 5:28 a.m.
     Shit just got real...Archilen 10/19/12 5:40 a.m.
           Re: Shit just got real...Rice 10/19/12 5:45 a.m.
                 I loveee how scary they made the elites to be *NM*spu7n1k 10/19/12 10:24 a.m.
           Freakin' fantasticBeorn 10/19/12 10:00 a.m.
                 Re: Freakin' fantasticQuirel 10/21/12 1:47 p.m.
     Dammit that was amazing!Bryan Newman 10/19/12 5:45 a.m.
           Re: Dammit that was amazing!UNSC Trafalgar 10/19/12 7:12 a.m.
           Re: Dammit that was amazing!padraig08 10/19/12 12:29 p.m.
     I forgot...CortanaBryan Newman 10/19/12 5:46 a.m.
           Re: I forgot...CortanaThe Loot 10/19/12 7:05 a.m.
           Re: I forgot...CortanaINSANEdrive 10/19/12 10:49 a.m.
     ooooscarab 10/19/12 6:21 a.m.
           Re: ooooDEEP NNN 10/19/12 7:31 a.m.
                 Re: ooooINSANEdrive 10/19/12 10:54 a.m.
     Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.DEEP NNN 10/19/12 7:05 a.m.
     Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.NotTheVacuum 10/19/12 7:10 a.m.
           Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.Louis Wu 10/19/12 9:33 a.m.
                 Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.kg 10/19/12 10:18 a.m.
                       Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.Louis Wu 10/19/12 10:47 a.m.
                             Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.Chewbaccawakka 10/19/12 2:02 p.m.
                 Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.INSANEdrive 10/19/12 10:58 a.m.
                 Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.NotTheVacuum 10/19/12 1:06 p.m.
                       Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.DHalo 10/19/12 11:43 p.m.
                             Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.Louis Wu 10/20/12 11:56 a.m.
                                   HBO: Welcome Nathan Fillion Fans *NM*ZaneZavin 10/20/12 2:57 p.m.
     Fantastic!Seraph XXVII 10/19/12 7:38 a.m.
           Re: Fantastic!NotTheVacuum 10/19/12 8:19 a.m.
     Now we need a big budget Halo film.Captain Spark 10/19/12 8:27 a.m.
           Re: Now we need a big budget Halo film.NotTheVacuum 10/19/12 9:20 a.m.
                 Re: Now we need a big budget Halo film.Captain Spark 10/19/12 11:43 a.m.
                       Definitely agree...Mid7night 10/19/12 11:48 a.m.
                             Re: Definitely agree...Captain Spark 10/19/12 11:59 a.m.
                                   Re: Definitely agree...Mid7night 10/19/12 12:06 p.m.
     two thingsDervish 10/19/12 9:43 a.m.
           Re: two thingsMid7night 10/19/12 10:20 a.m.
           Re: two thingsRagashingo 10/19/12 10:23 a.m.
           Re: two thingsSonGoharotto 10/19/12 10:58 a.m.
           UnlikelyGrizzlei 10/19/12 11:01 a.m.
                 Re: UnlikelyDervish 10/19/12 6:11 p.m.
           Re: two thingsasa 10/19/12 1:06 p.m.
                 Re: two thingsVAVA Mk2 10/19/12 8:43 p.m.
           Robert de Niro's callingscarab 10/19/12 5:16 p.m.
     Now, more than ever...Mid7night 10/19/12 10:27 a.m.
           Re: Now, more than ever...thebruce0 10/19/12 11:49 a.m.
                 Re: Now, more than ever...VAVA Mk2 10/19/12 8:44 p.m.
                 Re: Now, more than ever...Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 10/20/12 10:57 a.m.
           Re: Now, more than ever...Mr Daax 10/20/12 7:05 a.m.
     Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.Ragashingo 10/19/12 10:40 a.m.
           Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.Louis Wu 10/19/12 10:49 a.m.
                 Kickstarter. *NM*Ragashingo 10/19/12 10:53 a.m.
           Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.SonGoharotto 10/19/12 11:00 a.m.
           Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.INSANEdrive 10/19/12 11:04 a.m.
           AI Rampancy untouchedthebruce0 10/19/12 11:54 a.m.
                 Re: AI Rampancy untouchedRagashingo 10/19/12 12:12 p.m.
                       Re: AI Rampancy untouchedthebruce0 10/19/12 12:29 p.m.
                             Re: AI Rampancy untouchedGeneral Vagueness 10/19/12 6:10 p.m.
                                   Re: AI Rampancy untoucheduberfoop 10/19/12 6:14 p.m.
                                   Re: AI Rampancy untouchedRagashingo 10/19/12 10:15 p.m.
                                   Re: AI Rampancy untouchedscarab 10/20/12 5:28 a.m.
                                         Re: AI Rampancy untouchedGeneral Vagueness 10/20/12 12:57 p.m.
                                               Re: AI Rampancy untouchedscarab 10/20/12 5:59 p.m.
                                                     Re: AI Rampancy untouchedGeneral Vagueness 10/20/12 9:29 p.m.
                                                           Re: AI Rampancy untouchedscarab 10/21/12 7:20 a.m.
                                   Re: AI Rampancy untouchedthebruce0 10/21/12 9:06 p.m.
                                         Re: AI Rampancy untouchedGeneral Vagueness 10/22/12 1:07 p.m.
                                               Re: AI Rampancy untouchedstabbim 10/22/12 4:22 p.m.
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                                                                 Re: *OT*General Vagueness 10/24/12 7:43 p.m.
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                                   Re: AI Rampancy untouchedstabbim 10/22/12 4:09 p.m.
                                         Re: AI Rampancy untouchedVincent 10/22/12 4:28 p.m.
                                   Re: AI Rampancy untouched (proper)thebruce0 10/22/12 4:34 p.m.
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                                               Re: AI Rampancy untouched (proper)thebruce0 10/22/12 9:22 p.m.
                                                     Re: AI Rampancy untouched (proper)General Vagueness 10/24/12 7:28 p.m.
                                                           Re: AI Rampancy untouched (proper)thebruce0 10/24/12 9:10 p.m.
     Dayum, those last couple of minutes! =ONsU Soldier 10/19/12 11:01 a.m.
     Incredible!Grizzlei 10/19/12 11:21 a.m.
           Re: Incredible!Louis Wu 10/19/12 11:36 a.m.
                 Re: Incredible!Grizzlei 10/19/12 11:46 a.m.
     Question about Sully's ONI tapepadraig08 10/19/12 12:33 p.m.
           Re: Question about Sully's ONI tapeBeorn 10/19/12 12:39 p.m.
                 Re: Question about Sully's ONI tapepadraig08 10/19/12 12:51 p.m.
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                             Re: Question about Sully's ONI tapepadraig08 10/19/12 2:04 p.m.
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           Re: Question about Sully's ONI tapeRagashingo 10/19/12 12:54 p.m.
                 Re: Question about Sully's ONI tapepadraig08 10/19/12 1:00 p.m.
     The evac sequence...munky-058 10/19/12 1:06 p.m.
           Ugh.....padraig08 10/19/12 2:02 p.m.
           Re: The evac sequence...UNSC Trafalgar 10/19/12 2:06 p.m.
     FantasticIbeechu 10/19/12 3:30 p.m.
     Had to wait a little longer than normal to see itTex 10/19/12 3:36 p.m.
     Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.Vincent 10/19/12 3:51 p.m.
           Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.Postmortem 10/19/12 7:36 p.m.
                 Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.VAVA Mk2 10/19/12 8:54 p.m.
                       Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.Postmortem 10/19/12 9:27 p.m.
                             Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.ZaneZavin 10/19/12 9:47 p.m.
                                   Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.Vincent 10/20/12 4:51 a.m.
                                         Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.ZaneZavin 10/20/12 9:07 a.m.
                             Handy shoot here for headshot lights *NM*scarab 10/20/12 5:51 a.m.
                             Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.Rice 10/21/12 1:24 a.m.
           Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.stabbim 10/22/12 4:33 p.m.
                 Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.Vincent 10/22/12 4:46 p.m.
     Holy Footballs!LostSpartan987 10/19/12 4:26 p.m.
     343: We DeliverMetalingus627 10/19/12 5:58 p.m.
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                 Re: 343: We DeliverIbeechu 10/20/12 12:55 a.m.
                       Re: 343: We DeliverRagashingo 10/20/12 10:10 a.m.
                 Re: 343: We Deliverthebruce0 10/22/12 8:59 a.m.
           Re: 343: We DeliverLurono 10/20/12 9:28 p.m.
     Best. Halo media. EverPostmortem 10/19/12 7:42 p.m.
           What is it?NotTheVacuum 10/19/12 8:12 p.m.
                 Re: What is it?Ragashingo 10/19/12 9:56 p.m.
                       Re: What is it?serpx 10/19/12 10:55 p.m.
                       Re: What is it?thebruce0 10/22/12 9:01 a.m.
     Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.Hedgemony 10/19/12 9:13 p.m.
           That'll be FUD's legendary ending, naturally. *NM*uberfoop 10/19/12 9:16 p.m.
           Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.ZaneZavin 10/19/12 9:43 p.m.
     Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.SonofMacPhisto 10/20/12 11:09 p.m.
     Re: FUD Episode 3 Here.Quirel 10/21/12 1:46 p.m.
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