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The Flying Brick Brigade.
Posted By: Gravemind <kuukan_no_kage@yahoo.com>Date: 1/31/11 4:31 p.m.

In Response To: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere? (Urban Reflex)


: The Pillar of Autumn sits, waiting, in the Aszod dry dock on Reach. I've seen
: so many people say that the ship isn't rated for atmosphere, but I can't
: recall seeing that mentioned anywhere from an official source.

: Have people come to this conclusion because she has to crash land on Halo?
: The ship was damaged then... both from the fight over Reach and the
: ensuing battle above the installation. Many decks had vented atmosphere
: due to hull breaches (TFOR, p322). It was always my impression that the
: ship was shot down. Either way, perhaps the ship is designed to be able to
: leave a planet's atmosphere, but not re-enter it? I don't know a lot about
: space travel, but isn't the former less strenuous for a ship than the
: latter?

None of the ships in the UNSC fleet should be rated for atmosphere. They're all obviously dedicated spaceships, designed strictly for the rigors of a zero-G vacuum. They're blocky and in no way aerodynamic, and they'd all fly about as well in-atmosphere as a brick. Frigates are somehow able to maintain altitude and even hover despite not having any large vertical thrusters. The PoA should have plummeted and crashed once it discarded those huge boosters it had. It's possible that UNSC ships have anti-grav devices as substitutes for vertical thrusters, but there's been no mention of this. The best we can do is chalk it up to "acceptable breaks from reality." It'd be far from the first time a sci-fi franchise had starships with obviously poor aerodynamics fly effortlessly inside an atmosphere.

As for expanded universe material that says certain ships aren't rated for atmosphere, this is Bungie we're talking about. They threw out the entire last act of The Fall or Reach, which had been canonical up until this past September 14, when they made this game, so no one should be surprised if they also retcon some other parts of the books which say that ships like the PoA aren't rated for atmosphere. If Bungie (well, 343 now, since Bungie isn't making Halo anymore) wants a ship to fly in-atmosphere, they'll make it fly in-atmosphere, even if it means throwing out canonical material that says otherwise. I don't like their "Yeah, it's canonical... for now" approach, but that's what they do. Having a strong continuity is not one of the Halo franchise's strengths.

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Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?Urban Reflex 1/31/11 10:21 a.m.
     Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?Leviathan 1/31/11 10:30 a.m.
           Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?FoxmanFX 1/31/11 10:41 a.m.
                 Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?Beckx 1/31/11 11:00 a.m.
                       Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?FoxmanFX 1/31/11 11:31 a.m.
                       Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?elessar787 1/31/11 4:16 p.m.
                 ANSWER regarding the BoneyardLeisandir 1/31/11 9:43 p.m.
           Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?Quirel 1/31/11 10:41 a.m.
                 Anyone got a page number for that? *NM*Urban Reflex 1/31/11 10:46 a.m.
                       Re: Anyone got a page number for that?Louis Wu 1/31/11 11:07 a.m.
                             Re: Anyone got a page number for that?kr-1426 1/31/11 11:36 a.m.
                                   Re: Anyone got a page number for that?Urban Reflex 2/1/11 1:28 a.m.
                             Re: Anyone got a page number for that?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/31/11 11:43 a.m.
                                   Re: Anyone got a page number for that?Bry 1/31/11 11:52 a.m.
           Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?acceptable overkill 1/31/11 12:44 p.m.
                 Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?Bry 1/31/11 1:27 p.m.
                       Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/31/11 1:30 p.m.
                             Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?Bry 1/31/11 1:37 p.m.
                                   Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/31/11 1:48 p.m.
                                         Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?Bry 1/31/11 1:55 p.m.
                                               Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/31/11 2:29 p.m.
                                                     Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?Bry 1/31/11 2:39 p.m.
                                                           Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?Schedonnardus 1/31/11 2:57 p.m.
                                                                 And nobody has answered...bluerunner 1/31/11 3:04 p.m.
                                                                       Re: And nobody has answered...Schedonnardus 1/31/11 3:12 p.m.
                                                                             Probably the most accurate answer.kanbo 1/31/11 3:51 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Probably the most accurate answer.Quirel 1/31/11 6:38 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Probably the most accurate answer.kanbo 1/31/11 6:47 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Probably the most accurate answer.Quirel 1/31/11 7:11 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Probably the most accurate answer.kanbo 1/31/11 7:52 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Probably the most accurate answer.General Battuta 1/31/11 8:50 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Probably the most accurate answer.Quirel 1/31/11 9:24 p.m.
                                                                       Re: And nobody has answered...Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/31/11 5:48 p.m.
                                                                             Re: And nobody has answered...uberfoop 1/31/11 5:54 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: And nobody has answered...Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/31/11 6:09 p.m.
                                                                             Re: And nobody has answered...Archilen 2/1/11 3:44 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: And nobody has answered...Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 2/1/11 7:15 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: And nobody has answered...Leisandir 2/1/11 8:50 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?Bry 1/31/11 3:09 p.m.
                             Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?acceptable overkill 1/31/11 5:47 p.m.
                 Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/31/11 1:39 p.m.
     Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?BlueNinja 1/31/11 10:45 a.m.
           Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?bluerunner 1/31/11 10:48 a.m.
                 Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?BlueNinja 1/31/11 10:52 a.m.
                       Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?Bry 1/31/11 11:29 a.m.
                 Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?fatalis 1/31/11 10:53 a.m.
                 Re: Is the Pillar of Autumn rated for atmosphere?ManKitten 1/31/11 10:53 a.m.
                 Re: Swim Bladder. *NM*Beckx 1/31/11 10:56 a.m.
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