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Re: Agreed
Posted By: Gravemind <kuukan_no_kage@yahoo.com>Date: 8/9/10 12:42 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Agreed (mattroe)


: This seems like exaggeration. People are acting like the sword is incapable
: of doing anything now, which is far from the truth (especially considering
: that the sword user no longer loses his shields during a block).

I saw that in the Asylum video. It is an improvement over the beta if the defender gets hurt while the sword guy does not (presumably you get one block and then the second hit kills unless your shields start to come back). I guess that beats dying with the sword because the guy meleed you and broke your shields, knocked you back, and shot you in the face with his pistol or whatever. Still, it begs the question "Why add the block in the first place, especially considering the other power weapons, most notably the hammer, cannot be blocked as well?". There's still that imbalance between the sword and its counterparts.

: The thought of it
: being weak during the beta never crossed my mind, in fact after I used it
: a bit I thought, "great, it's still overpowered".

In the beta, the only thing that went through my mind is "WTF? This thing was nerfed even more? Somebody can beat my sword by meleeing? This sucks. It was already balanced enough in Halo 3. Why can't you block the hammer too? Hammer guys are just running around Powerhouse with sprint slaughtering everything that moves." Those were my thoughts during the beta.

: And it's always been weak against the shotgun and always will be
: regardless of how it's balanced, so there's not much point in talking
: about how it fares against it - it's a sword. Shotguns are guns. That's
: how it works.

Actually, the shotgun sucked in Halo 2 as a counter to the sword and just in general: pitiful range, random pellets fired (3 to 10), and donut spread saw to that. The sword was overpowered in Halo 2 as a CQC weapon since it never ran out of battery and the player could lunge instantly after swapping to it. Since the sword was nerfed in Halo 3 while the shotgun was upgraded, it's no longer an issue. They were already balanced well enough against each other. No need to further tilt things against the sword.

Oh, and about that "it's a sword" line: Gameplay>realism. Realism is nice, but should never trump gameplay. Nothing trumps gameplay.

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     Re: New gametrailers vidBIG STEVE808 8/6/10 8:00 p.m.
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     SWORD BLOCK CONFIRMED FOR REACH.munky-058 8/6/10 9:48 p.m.
           Re: SWORD BLOCK CONFIRMED FOR REACH.calmkiller 8/6/10 10:20 p.m.
                 Re: SWORD BLOCK CONFIRMED FOR REACH.ZaneZavin 8/6/10 10:46 p.m.
           -Insert BS Police's Angryface Here- *NM*hyokin 8/6/10 11:18 p.m.
                 Re: -Insert BS Police's Angryface Here-The BS Police 8/6/10 11:23 p.m.
                       Re: -Insert BS Police's Angryface Here-ZaneZavin 8/6/10 11:50 p.m.
                             Re: -Insert BS Police's Angryface Here-ZaneZavin 8/6/10 11:51 p.m.
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                             Re: -Insert BS Police's Angryface Here-SquirrelOnFire 8/7/10 2:27 a.m.
                       HBO: Because real swords work up to 8 Meters! *NM*hyokin 8/7/10 12:25 a.m.
                             HBO: Because Gameplay > Realism.Gravemind 8/7/10 6:23 p.m.
                       Re: But there is a good reason they're nerfed...mattroe 8/7/10 1:16 a.m.
                             I don't think the Shotgun was nerfedThe BS Police 8/7/10 1:27 p.m.
                                   Re: I don't think the Shotgun was nerfedmattroe 8/7/10 7:21 p.m.
                                         Re: I don't think the Shotgun was nerfedGravemind 8/7/10 10:27 p.m.
                                         Re: I don't think the Shotgun was nerfedThe Loot 8/8/10 12:03 a.m.
                                               Re: I don't think the Shotgun was nerfedmattroe 8/8/10 4:04 a.m.
                                                     Re: I don't think the Shotgun was nerfedThe Loot 8/8/10 9:31 a.m.
                                                           You're talking as though it's made of paper nowmattroe 8/8/10 9:36 p.m.
           Re: SWORD BLOCK CONFIRMED FOR REACH.ArteenEsben 8/7/10 12:26 p.m.
                 AgreedThe BS Police 8/7/10 1:15 p.m.
                       Re: Agreedmattroe 8/8/10 7:36 a.m.
                             Re: AgreedGravemind 8/8/10 4:31 p.m.
                                   Re: AgreedSonofMacPhisto 8/8/10 6:03 p.m.
                                         Re: AgreedGravemind 8/9/10 3:42 a.m.
                                               Re: Agreedmattroe 8/9/10 4:14 a.m.
                                                     Re: AgreedGravemind 8/9/10 12:42 p.m.
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           BOOOOOO!!!!Gravemind 8/7/10 6:18 p.m.
     Frame rate makes me nervousChris101b 8/7/10 3:53 a.m.
     Re: New gametrailers vidLtDaaaan 8/7/10 12:52 p.m.
     Re: Red Mongoose?Banshee_105 8/7/10 4:04 p.m.
           Re: Red Mongoose?bluerunner 8/7/10 5:30 p.m.



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