I'd hate to see you *really* fly off the handle


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I'd hate to see you *really* fly off the handle

Posted By: Steve Levinson Date: 8/9/04 6:03 p.m.
In Response To: I hate this title (Forrest of B.org)

: I am very angry and at work right now so I'll try to make this brief and not
: full of profanity.
Brief and not full of profanity?
Forrest, I don't need to tell you how to live your life. I think what you've done with Eternal is really cool. I would never attempt to build a scenario myself - I love playing them, but I don't have the patience to do anything more than volunteer serieses.
My problem in life has always been that my own expectations are too high, which can really tick off other people, but I expect the best from me and tend to expect comparable effort from everyone else. The last thing I wanted was to make you feel that everyone's expectations are too high for you. But let me explain where I'm coming from. Cool tricks are nice, but they do not make a great scenario. PF has quickly become one of my alltime favorites. But what does it have? It uses the M1 game engine. It uses low-res textures - many of them borrowed from M1. It uses mostly the original shapes and the new ones it introduces really suck. But I love the scenario. At the end of the day, it's the gameplay that counts. And the story. Now I'm not trying to compare Eternal to PF, but I really think that the best way to get ideas for level layout is to play other people's scenarios. Don't worry about the textures. Don't worry about scenery objects for now. Just focus on level layout and monster population. This is what really counts. You can always go back and add the embelishments later.
And if you feel bad, just think about how Chris and Scott felt after the initial reviews for Rubicon came in, after 5 years of hard work. I always thought that those reviews were too harsh and in some ways self-serving, but Rubicon was a truly great scenario. I have every confidence that Eternal will be outstanding when it's finished.
Oh, one final piece of advice that echoes something else that was said. When I was in school, a medical resident gave me a very important treatise on swimming with sharks. The advice was very helpful for people in an academic medical center, where sharks are highly abundant, but it applies to most aspects of life as well. The bottom line is that no matter how severely bitten, you must never bleed. This forum has been exceptionally polite, but bleeding often leads to a feeding frenzie, and that's not a very pretty sight. Guess I'll put that DSM IV back on the shelf now.

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Eternally Bored Steve Levinson 8/8/04 7:57 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Simon of team Sigma 8/8/04 9:24 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored deathmonger 8/8/04 12:01 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Adam Ashwell 8/8/04 12:10 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Mr. Cactus 8/8/04 12:26 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored blake37 8/8/04 1:11 p.m.

RE: Eternally Bored Blayne 8/8/04 3:45 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored D-M.A. 8/8/04 7:31 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Forrest of B.org 8/8/04 4:24 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Steve Levinson 8/8/04 5:39 p.m.

Oh, and yes, I'm using the 512 high-res textures *NM* Steve Levinson 8/8/04 6:55 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Forrest of B.org 8/8/04 6:59 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Steve Levinson 8/8/04 8:46 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Steve Levinson 8/8/04 9:10 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Forrest of B.org 8/8/04 10:00 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Steve Levinson 8/9/04 3:25 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged goran 8/9/04 4:06 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 6:19 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged goran 8/9/04 7:34 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 7:43 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged goran 8/9/04 7:50 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 8:08 a.m.

Burning in the light of the moon Forrest of B.org 8/9/04 11:32 p.m.

Re: Burning in the light of the moon Adam Ashwell 8/10/04 5:02 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Lunair 8/9/04 9:59 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Blayne 8/9/04 2:16 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged goran 8/9/04 3:18 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 6:26 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 6:57 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Steve Levinson 8/10/04 4:41 p.m.

Don't let this go to your head Steve Levinson 8/11/04 9:00 a.m.

Re: Don't let this go to your head Adam Ashwell 8/11/04 9:21 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 10:30 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Steve Levinson 8/9/04 5:23 p.m.

Anyone notice that Enforcers can't kill you? *NM* a disreputable source 8/8/04 8:20 p.m.

Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your fault? *NM* Steve Levinson 8/8/04 8:48 p.m.

Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul Forrest of B.org 8/8/04 10:02 p.m.

Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul Ori 8/8/04 11:10 p.m.

Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul goran 8/9/04 12:58 a.m.

Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 5:57 a.m.

Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul blake37 8/9/04 6:03 a.m.

Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 6:03 a.m.

Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul Yossarian 8/9/04 6:55 a.m.

Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 7:03 a.m.

Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs Blayne 8/9/04 3:40 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 5:40 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 5:41 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored goran 8/9/04 7:44 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Johannes Gunnar 8/9/04 8:04 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 8:06 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Forrest of B.org 8/9/04 9:04 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 9:16 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Forrest of B.org 8/9/04 9:25 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 9:41 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 9:45 a.m.

I hate this title Forrest of B.org 8/9/04 2:09 p.m.

Re: I hate this title Forrest of B.org 8/9/04 2:27 p.m.

Re: I hate this title Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 2:49 p.m.

Re: I hate this title Forrest of B.org 8/9/04 3:00 p.m.

Re: I hate this title Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 3:05 p.m.

Re: I hate this title Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 3:13 p.m.

Re: I hate this title goran 8/9/04 4:07 p.m.

Re: I hate this title Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 4:12 p.m.

Re: I hate this title blake37 8/9/04 3:50 p.m.

Re: I hate this title deathmonger 8/9/04 5:11 p.m.

I'd hate to see you *really* fly off the handle Steve Levinson 8/9/04 6:03 p.m.

A lesson for us all Plague Bearer aka Nick 8/9/04 8:09 p.m.

Re: A lesson for us all D-M.A. 8/10/04 8:34 a.m.

Re: A lesson for us all blake37 8/10/04 8:44 a.m.

Trojan infected PC = porn spam bot *NM* D-M.A. 8/10/04 9:33 a.m.

fun, i'll send your comp a get well card blake37 8/10/04 11:06 a.m.

Re: Trojan infected PC = porn spam bot deathmonger 8/10/04 12:17 p.m.

Re: I hate this title Jacke 8/10/04 5:16 a.m.

Re: I hate this title D-M.A. 8/10/04 8:26 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored blake37 8/9/04 6:02 a.m.

On TC, everything attacks from the start *NM* Steve Levinson 8/9/04 5:42 p.m.

ok, then im just a wuss ;-) *NM* blake37 8/10/04 4:17 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Forrest of B.org 8/10/04 8:10 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored blake37 8/10/04 8:34 a.m.

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: Brief and not full of profanity? : Forrest, I don't need to tell you how to live your life. I think what you've : done with Eternal is really cool. I would never attempt to build a : scenario myself - I love playing them, but I don't have the patience to do : anything more than volunteer serieses. : My problem in life has always been that my own expectations are too high, : which can really tick off other people, but I expect the best from me and : tend to expect comparable effort from everyone else. The last thing I : wanted was to make you feel that everyone's expectations are too high for : you. But let me explain where I'm coming from. Cool tricks are nice, but : they do not make a great scenario. PF has quickly become one of my alltime : favorites. But what does it have? It uses the M1 game engine. It uses : low-res textures - many of them borrowed from M1. It uses mostly the : original shapes and the new ones it introduces really suck. But I love the : scenario. At the end of the day, it's the gameplay that counts. And the : story. Now I'm not trying to compare Eternal to PF, but I really think : that the best way to get ideas for level layout is to play other people's : scenarios. Don't worry about the textures. Don't worry about scenery : objects for now. Just focus on level layout and monster population. This : is what really counts. You can always go back and add the embelishments : later. : And if you feel bad, just think about how Chris and Scott felt after the : initial reviews for Rubicon came in, after 5 years of hard work. I always : thought that those reviews were too harsh and in some ways self-serving, : but Rubicon was a truly great scenario. I have every confidence that : Eternal will be outstanding when it's finished. : Oh, one final piece of advice that echoes something else that was said. When : I was in school, a medical resident gave me a very important treatise on : swimming with sharks. The advice was very helpful for people in an : academic medical center, where sharks are highly abundant, but it applies : to most aspects of life as well. The bottom line is that no matter how : severely bitten, you must never bleed. This forum has been exceptionally : polite, but bleeding often leads to a feeding frenzie, and that's not a : very pretty sight. Guess I'll put that DSM IV back on the shelf now.

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Eternally Bored	Steve Levinson	8/8/04 7:57 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Simon of team Sigma	8/8/04 9:24 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	deathmonger	8/8/04 12:01 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Adam Ashwell	8/8/04 12:10 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Mr. Cactus	8/8/04 12:26 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	blake37	8/8/04 1:11 p.m.
RE: Eternally Bored	Blayne	8/8/04 3:45 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	D-M.A.	8/8/04 7:31 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Forrest of B.org	8/8/04 4:24 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Steve Levinson	8/8/04 5:39 p.m.
Oh, and yes, I'm using the 512 high-res textures NM	Steve Levinson	8/8/04 6:55 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Forrest of B.org	8/8/04 6:59 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Steve Levinson	8/8/04 8:46 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Steve Levinson	8/8/04 9:10 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Forrest of B.org	8/8/04 10:00 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Steve Levinson	8/9/04 3:25 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	goran	8/9/04 4:06 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 6:19 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	goran	8/9/04 7:34 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 7:43 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	goran	8/9/04 7:50 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 8:08 a.m.
Burning in the light of the moon	Forrest of B.org	8/9/04 11:32 p.m.
Re: Burning in the light of the moon	Adam Ashwell	8/10/04 5:02 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Lunair	8/9/04 9:59 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Blayne	8/9/04 2:16 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	goran	8/9/04 3:18 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 6:26 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 6:57 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Steve Levinson	8/10/04 4:41 p.m.
Don't let this go to your head	Steve Levinson	8/11/04 9:00 a.m.
Re: Don't let this go to your head	Adam Ashwell	8/11/04 9:21 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 10:30 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Steve Levinson	8/9/04 5:23 p.m.
Anyone notice that Enforcers can't kill you? NM	a disreputable source	8/8/04 8:20 p.m.
Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your fault? NM	Steve Levinson	8/8/04 8:48 p.m.
Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul	Forrest of B.org	8/8/04 10:02 p.m.
Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul	Ori	8/8/04 11:10 p.m.
Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul	goran	8/9/04 12:58 a.m.
Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 5:57 a.m.
Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul	blake37	8/9/04 6:03 a.m.
Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 6:03 a.m.
Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul	Yossarian	8/9/04 6:55 a.m.
Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 7:03 a.m.
Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs	Blayne	8/9/04 3:40 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 5:40 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 5:41 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	goran	8/9/04 7:44 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Johannes Gunnar	8/9/04 8:04 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 8:06 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Forrest of B.org	8/9/04 9:04 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 9:16 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Forrest of B.org	8/9/04 9:25 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 9:41 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 9:45 a.m.
I hate this title	Forrest of B.org	8/9/04 2:09 p.m.
Re: I hate this title	Forrest of B.org	8/9/04 2:27 p.m.
Re: I hate this title	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 2:49 p.m.
Re: I hate this title	Forrest of B.org	8/9/04 3:00 p.m.
Re: I hate this title	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 3:05 p.m.
Re: I hate this title	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 3:13 p.m.
Re: I hate this title	goran	8/9/04 4:07 p.m.
Re: I hate this title	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 4:12 p.m.
Re: I hate this title	blake37	8/9/04 3:50 p.m.
Re: I hate this title	deathmonger	8/9/04 5:11 p.m.
I'd hate to see you really fly off the handle	Steve Levinson	8/9/04 6:03 p.m.
A lesson for us all	Plague Bearer aka Nick	8/9/04 8:09 p.m.
Re: A lesson for us all	D-M.A.	8/10/04 8:34 a.m.
Re: A lesson for us all	blake37	8/10/04 8:44 a.m.
Trojan infected PC = porn spam bot NM	D-M.A.	8/10/04 9:33 a.m.
fun, i'll send your comp a get well card	blake37	8/10/04 11:06 a.m.
Re: Trojan infected PC = porn spam bot	deathmonger	8/10/04 12:17 p.m.
Re: I hate this title	Jacke	8/10/04 5:16 a.m.
Re: I hate this title	D-M.A.	8/10/04 8:26 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	blake37	8/9/04 6:02 a.m.
On TC, everything attacks from the start NM	Steve Levinson	8/9/04 5:42 p.m.
ok, then im just a wuss ;-) NM	blake37	8/10/04 4:17 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Forrest of B.org	8/10/04 8:10 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	blake37	8/10/04 8:34 a.m.



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	Message: : Brief and not full of profanity? : Forrest, I don't need to tell you how to live your life. I think what you've : done with Eternal is really cool. I would never attempt to build a : scenario myself - I love playing them, but I don't have the patience to do : anything more than volunteer serieses. : My problem in life has always been that my own expectations are too high, : which can really tick off other people, but I expect the best from me and : tend to expect comparable effort from everyone else. The last thing I : wanted was to make you feel that everyone's expectations are too high for : you. But let me explain where I'm coming from. Cool tricks are nice, but : they do not make a great scenario. PF has quickly become one of my alltime : favorites. But what does it have? It uses the M1 game engine. It uses : low-res textures - many of them borrowed from M1. It uses mostly the : original shapes and the new ones it introduces really suck. But I love the : scenario. At the end of the day, it's the gameplay that counts. And the : story. Now I'm not trying to compare Eternal to PF, but I really think : that the best way to get ideas for level layout is to play other people's : scenarios. Don't worry about the textures. Don't worry about scenery : objects for now. Just focus on level layout and monster population. This : is what really counts. You can always go back and add the embelishments : later. : And if you feel bad, just think about how Chris and Scott felt after the : initial reviews for Rubicon came in, after 5 years of hard work. I always : thought that those reviews were too harsh and in some ways self-serving, : but Rubicon was a truly great scenario. I have every confidence that : Eternal will be outstanding when it's finished. : Oh, one final piece of advice that echoes something else that was said. When : I was in school, a medical resident gave me a very important treatise on : swimming with sharks. The advice was very helpful for people in an : academic medical center, where sharks are highly abundant, but it applies : to most aspects of life as well. The bottom line is that no matter how : severely bitten, you must never bleed. This forum has been exceptionally : polite, but bleeding often leads to a feeding frenzie, and that's not a : very pretty sight. Guess I'll put that DSM IV back on the shelf now.
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