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Re: Eternally Bored

Posted By: Steve Levinson Date: 8/8/04 5:39 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Eternally Bored (Forrest of B.org)

: I read your post this morning and am going to just post the thoughts that
: I've been mulling on today, and after reading other people's responses.
Thanks for taking this all in stride, Forrest. I really wanted this to be constructive feedback. I wrote this after making a 14 hour drive from Chicago to Rochester and at a time when I was very frustrated with level 6. I've since given level 6 another stab on Kindergarten and managed to finish it, and I have to admit that level 7 was very, very cool, even if the fish-eye effect has already been done in Rubicon. Just a suggestion - make your fisheye power-ups invisible - that's how they did it in Rubicon. I'm now about to go back and try to figure out what I did wrong - a cool concept, but I really hope I don't have to repreat level 5, which is the weakest of the bunch so far.
BTW, the Eternal website seem to be down right now.
I appreciate everything you've done with Eternal, but releasing a bunch of maps that aren't yet ready for prime time can be worse than nothing, particularly if you turn players off and then you do manage to get a final version out. Look at how many of us had a negative opinion of Red, even though that one is a damn good scenario. I recognize that your team is somewhat inexperienced and I realize that the response to your public beta release was miniscule. Take it from me - you will get a lot more beta testers by asking people personally to test than by making a general announcement. I'll beta test anything you send me, Forrest - it may take me some time, but I won't refuse you - you just have to ask. I bet that there are a dozen or more regular readers of the forum who will do the same, but who probably won't test if you just make a general announcement. As you can probably guess - I'm a harsh tester - just ask Blayne about that one - but I'm fair and often come up with ideas that will make you rethink your approach.
Texture-wise, perhaps bland isn't the right word, but M1 did have a lot more variety, and it really looked metalic. Your textures look like surfaces made from concrete and then all sanded exactly the same way with a circular sander. Improve the Marathon? Why not? Add more details? Great idea! Abandon the overall look and feel? Probably not a good idea. But above all else, I can live with these textures if the maps are good. Getting great maps and insisting on the best from your mapmakers is essential. If real life intervenes as it often does, you may need to do a lot of your own tweakeing.
As far as difficult is concerned - I didn't have any real problems on TC until I hit level 6 (BTW, why don't the level names appear in map view?). Your infinitely regenerating monsters make play on TC essentially impossible. Even if you can survive to reach the tower where the chip slot goes, you cannot exit the tower - a squadron of monsters will almost always block the way. On kindergarten you can thin the ranks before going up, but they regenerate too quickly and are too aggressive on TC. Slow down the regeneration rate and you should be fine - this is actually one of the better levels.
I'll provide more feedback once I have more of a chance to play the rest - and if I can ever figure out how to get beyond level 7!

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Eternally Bored Steve Levinson 8/8/04 7:57 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Simon of team Sigma 8/8/04 9:24 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored deathmonger 8/8/04 12:01 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Adam Ashwell 8/8/04 12:10 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Mr. Cactus 8/8/04 12:26 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored blake37 8/8/04 1:11 p.m.

RE: Eternally Bored Blayne 8/8/04 3:45 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored D-M.A. 8/8/04 7:31 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Forrest of B.org 8/8/04 4:24 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Steve Levinson 8/8/04 5:39 p.m.

Oh, and yes, I'm using the 512 high-res textures *NM* Steve Levinson 8/8/04 6:55 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Forrest of B.org 8/8/04 6:59 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Steve Levinson 8/8/04 8:46 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Steve Levinson 8/8/04 9:10 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Forrest of B.org 8/8/04 10:00 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Steve Levinson 8/9/04 3:25 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged goran 8/9/04 4:06 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 6:19 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged goran 8/9/04 7:34 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 7:43 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged goran 8/9/04 7:50 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 8:08 a.m.

Burning in the light of the moon Forrest of B.org 8/9/04 11:32 p.m.

Re: Burning in the light of the moon Adam Ashwell 8/10/04 5:02 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Lunair 8/9/04 9:59 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Blayne 8/9/04 2:16 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged goran 8/9/04 3:18 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 6:26 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 6:57 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Steve Levinson 8/10/04 4:41 p.m.

Don't let this go to your head Steve Levinson 8/11/04 9:00 a.m.

Re: Don't let this go to your head Adam Ashwell 8/11/04 9:21 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 10:30 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged Steve Levinson 8/9/04 5:23 p.m.

Anyone notice that Enforcers can't kill you? *NM* a disreputable source 8/8/04 8:20 p.m.

Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your fault? *NM* Steve Levinson 8/8/04 8:48 p.m.

Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul Forrest of B.org 8/8/04 10:02 p.m.

Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul Ori 8/8/04 11:10 p.m.

Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul goran 8/9/04 12:58 a.m.

Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 5:57 a.m.

Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul blake37 8/9/04 6:03 a.m.

Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 6:03 a.m.

Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul Yossarian 8/9/04 6:55 a.m.

Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 7:03 a.m.

Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs Blayne 8/9/04 3:40 p.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 5:40 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 5:41 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored goran 8/9/04 7:44 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Johannes Gunnar 8/9/04 8:04 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 8:06 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Forrest of B.org 8/9/04 9:04 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 9:16 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Forrest of B.org 8/9/04 9:25 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 9:41 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 9:45 a.m.

I hate this title Forrest of B.org 8/9/04 2:09 p.m.

Re: I hate this title Forrest of B.org 8/9/04 2:27 p.m.

Re: I hate this title Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 2:49 p.m.

Re: I hate this title Forrest of B.org 8/9/04 3:00 p.m.

Re: I hate this title Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 3:05 p.m.

Re: I hate this title Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 3:13 p.m.

Re: I hate this title goran 8/9/04 4:07 p.m.

Re: I hate this title Adam Ashwell 8/9/04 4:12 p.m.

Re: I hate this title blake37 8/9/04 3:50 p.m.

Re: I hate this title deathmonger 8/9/04 5:11 p.m.

I'd hate to see you *really* fly off the handle Steve Levinson 8/9/04 6:03 p.m.

A lesson for us all Plague Bearer aka Nick 8/9/04 8:09 p.m.

Re: A lesson for us all D-M.A. 8/10/04 8:34 a.m.

Re: A lesson for us all blake37 8/10/04 8:44 a.m.

Trojan infected PC = porn spam bot *NM* D-M.A. 8/10/04 9:33 a.m.

fun, i'll send your comp a get well card blake37 8/10/04 11:06 a.m.

Re: Trojan infected PC = porn spam bot deathmonger 8/10/04 12:17 p.m.

Re: I hate this title Jacke 8/10/04 5:16 a.m.

Re: I hate this title D-M.A. 8/10/04 8:26 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored blake37 8/9/04 6:02 a.m.

On TC, everything attacks from the start *NM* Steve Levinson 8/9/04 5:42 p.m.

ok, then im just a wuss ;-) *NM* blake37 8/10/04 4:17 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored Forrest of B.org 8/10/04 8:10 a.m.

Re: Eternally Bored blake37 8/10/04 8:34 a.m.

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: Thanks for taking this all in stride, Forrest. I really wanted this to be : constructive feedback. I wrote this after making a 14 hour drive from : Chicago to Rochester and at a time when I was very frustrated with level : 6. I've since given level 6 another stab on Kindergarten and managed to : finish it, and I have to admit that level 7 was very, very cool, even if : the fish-eye effect has already been done in Rubicon. Just a suggestion - : make your fisheye power-ups invisible - that's how they did it in Rubicon. : I'm now about to go back and try to figure out what I did wrong - a cool : concept, but I really hope I don't have to repreat level 5, which is the : weakest of the bunch so far. : BTW, the Eternal website seem to be down right now. : I appreciate everything you've done with Eternal, but releasing a bunch of : maps that aren't yet ready for prime time can be worse than nothing, : particularly if you turn players off and then you do manage to get a : final version out. Look at how many of us had a negative opinion of Red, : even though that one is a damn good scenario. I recognize that your team : is somewhat inexperienced and I realize that the response to your public : beta release was miniscule. Take it from me - you will get a lot more beta : testers by asking people personally to test than by making a general : announcement. I'll beta test anything you send me, Forrest - it may take : me some time, but I won't refuse you - you just have to ask. I bet that : there are a dozen or more regular readers of the forum who will do the : same, but who probably won't test if you just make a general announcement. : As you can probably guess - I'm a harsh tester - just ask Blayne about : that one - but I'm fair and often come up with ideas that will make you : rethink your approach. : Texture-wise, perhaps bland isn't the right word, but M1 did have a lot more : variety, and it really looked metalic. Your textures look like surfaces : made from concrete and then all sanded exactly the same way with a : circular sander. Improve the Marathon? Why not? Add more details? Great : idea! Abandon the overall look and feel? Probably not a good idea. But : above all else, I can live with these textures if the maps are good. : Getting great maps and insisting on the best from your mapmakers is : essential. If real life intervenes as it often does, you may need to do a : lot of your own tweakeing. : As far as difficult is concerned - I didn't have any real problems on TC : until I hit level 6 (BTW, why don't the level names appear in map view?). : Your infinitely regenerating monsters make play on TC essentially : impossible. Even if you can survive to reach the tower where the chip slot : goes, you cannot exit the tower - a squadron of monsters will almost : always block the way. On kindergarten you can thin the ranks before going : up, but they regenerate too quickly and are too aggressive on TC. Slow : down the regeneration rate and you should be fine - this is actually one : of the better levels. : I'll provide more feedback once I have more of a chance to play the rest - : and if I can ever figure out how to get beyond level 7!

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Eternally Bored	Steve Levinson	8/8/04 7:57 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Simon of team Sigma	8/8/04 9:24 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	deathmonger	8/8/04 12:01 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Adam Ashwell	8/8/04 12:10 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Mr. Cactus	8/8/04 12:26 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	blake37	8/8/04 1:11 p.m.
RE: Eternally Bored	Blayne	8/8/04 3:45 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	D-M.A.	8/8/04 7:31 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Forrest of B.org	8/8/04 4:24 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Steve Levinson	8/8/04 5:39 p.m.
Oh, and yes, I'm using the 512 high-res textures NM	Steve Levinson	8/8/04 6:55 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Forrest of B.org	8/8/04 6:59 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Steve Levinson	8/8/04 8:46 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Steve Levinson	8/8/04 9:10 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Forrest of B.org	8/8/04 10:00 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Steve Levinson	8/9/04 3:25 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	goran	8/9/04 4:06 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 6:19 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	goran	8/9/04 7:34 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 7:43 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	goran	8/9/04 7:50 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 8:08 a.m.
Burning in the light of the moon	Forrest of B.org	8/9/04 11:32 p.m.
Re: Burning in the light of the moon	Adam Ashwell	8/10/04 5:02 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Lunair	8/9/04 9:59 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Blayne	8/9/04 2:16 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	goran	8/9/04 3:18 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 6:26 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 6:57 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Steve Levinson	8/10/04 4:41 p.m.
Don't let this go to your head	Steve Levinson	8/11/04 9:00 a.m.
Re: Don't let this go to your head	Adam Ashwell	8/11/04 9:21 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 10:30 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored - and bugged	Steve Levinson	8/9/04 5:23 p.m.
Anyone notice that Enforcers can't kill you? NM	a disreputable source	8/8/04 8:20 p.m.
Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your fault? NM	Steve Levinson	8/8/04 8:48 p.m.
Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul	Forrest of B.org	8/8/04 10:02 p.m.
Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul	Ori	8/8/04 11:10 p.m.
Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul	goran	8/9/04 12:58 a.m.
Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 5:57 a.m.
Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul	blake37	8/9/04 6:03 a.m.
Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 6:03 a.m.
Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul	Yossarian	8/9/04 6:55 a.m.
Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs - Ernie, is this your faul	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 7:03 a.m.
Re: Yes - 1 of the bugs	Blayne	8/9/04 3:40 p.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 5:40 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 5:41 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	goran	8/9/04 7:44 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Johannes Gunnar	8/9/04 8:04 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 8:06 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Forrest of B.org	8/9/04 9:04 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 9:16 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Forrest of B.org	8/9/04 9:25 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 9:41 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 9:45 a.m.
I hate this title	Forrest of B.org	8/9/04 2:09 p.m.
Re: I hate this title	Forrest of B.org	8/9/04 2:27 p.m.
Re: I hate this title	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 2:49 p.m.
Re: I hate this title	Forrest of B.org	8/9/04 3:00 p.m.
Re: I hate this title	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 3:05 p.m.
Re: I hate this title	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 3:13 p.m.
Re: I hate this title	goran	8/9/04 4:07 p.m.
Re: I hate this title	Adam Ashwell	8/9/04 4:12 p.m.
Re: I hate this title	blake37	8/9/04 3:50 p.m.
Re: I hate this title	deathmonger	8/9/04 5:11 p.m.
I'd hate to see you really fly off the handle	Steve Levinson	8/9/04 6:03 p.m.
A lesson for us all	Plague Bearer aka Nick	8/9/04 8:09 p.m.
Re: A lesson for us all	D-M.A.	8/10/04 8:34 a.m.
Re: A lesson for us all	blake37	8/10/04 8:44 a.m.
Trojan infected PC = porn spam bot NM	D-M.A.	8/10/04 9:33 a.m.
fun, i'll send your comp a get well card	blake37	8/10/04 11:06 a.m.
Re: Trojan infected PC = porn spam bot	deathmonger	8/10/04 12:17 p.m.
Re: I hate this title	Jacke	8/10/04 5:16 a.m.
Re: I hate this title	D-M.A.	8/10/04 8:26 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	blake37	8/9/04 6:02 a.m.
On TC, everything attacks from the start NM	Steve Levinson	8/9/04 5:42 p.m.
ok, then im just a wuss ;-) NM	blake37	8/10/04 4:17 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	Forrest of B.org	8/10/04 8:10 a.m.
Re: Eternally Bored	blake37	8/10/04 8:34 a.m.



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	Message: : Thanks for taking this all in stride, Forrest. I really wanted this to be : constructive feedback. I wrote this after making a 14 hour drive from : Chicago to Rochester and at a time when I was very frustrated with level : 6. I've since given level 6 another stab on Kindergarten and managed to : finish it, and I have to admit that level 7 was very, very cool, even if : the fish-eye effect has already been done in Rubicon. Just a suggestion - : make your fisheye power-ups invisible - that's how they did it in Rubicon. : I'm now about to go back and try to figure out what I did wrong - a cool : concept, but I really hope I don't have to repreat level 5, which is the : weakest of the bunch so far. : BTW, the Eternal website seem to be down right now. : I appreciate everything you've done with Eternal, but releasing a bunch of : maps that aren't yet ready for prime time can be worse than nothing, : particularly if you turn players off and then you do manage to get a : final version out. Look at how many of us had a negative opinion of Red, : even though that one is a damn good scenario. I recognize that your team : is somewhat inexperienced and I realize that the response to your public : beta release was miniscule. Take it from me - you will get a lot more beta : testers by asking people personally to test than by making a general : announcement. I'll beta test anything you send me, Forrest - it may take : me some time, but I won't refuse you - you just have to ask. I bet that : there are a dozen or more regular readers of the forum who will do the : same, but who probably won't test if you just make a general announcement. : As you can probably guess - I'm a harsh tester - just ask Blayne about : that one - but I'm fair and often come up with ideas that will make you : rethink your approach. : Texture-wise, perhaps bland isn't the right word, but M1 did have a lot more : variety, and it really looked metalic. Your textures look like surfaces : made from concrete and then all sanded exactly the same way with a : circular sander. Improve the Marathon? Why not? Add more details? Great : idea! Abandon the overall look and feel? Probably not a good idea. But : above all else, I can live with these textures if the maps are good. : Getting great maps and insisting on the best from your mapmakers is : essential. If real life intervenes as it often does, you may need to do a : lot of your own tweakeing. : As far as difficult is concerned - I didn't have any real problems on TC : until I hit level 6 (BTW, why don't the level names appear in map view?). : Your infinitely regenerating monsters make play on TC essentially : impossible. Even if you can survive to reach the tower where the chip slot : goes, you cannot exit the tower - a squadron of monsters will almost : always block the way. On kindergarten you can thin the ranks before going : up, but they regenerate too quickly and are too aggressive on TC. Slow : down the regeneration rate and you should be fine - this is actually one : of the better levels. : I'll provide more feedback once I have more of a chance to play the rest - : and if I can ever figure out how to get beyond level 7!
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