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Posted By: Lunair Date: 1/27/04 7:33 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Argh! (Neoptolemus)

: I agree with all except for the magnum in multiplayer sucking. Sometimes it's
: actually pretty good, don't get me wrong. It's just that the magnum is
: usually best for open spaces and long ranges. There aren't as much
: environments like that in multiplayer levels.
Very true, but the thing is, our friend the Mega Class just doesn't have the raw stopping power of any other weapon in the game (not really sure about the Alien Weapon, but I think the slow speed of the heat bursts mitigates its power). If you're good with the AR, you can take out a full-health (red) enemy marine in probably around a second. SPNKR, obviously real fast. Flamethrower puts the hurt on quite quickly. If you ignore the ridiculously-short amount of time the SMG's drum lasts, it's like a longer-range flamethrower. Shotguns, again ignoring ammo concerns, can do the Ventilation thang like none other. Even the Fusion Pistol has a charge-up capability -- and the charged shots do as much damage as the AR's grenades. And if we go back to M1, the old Alien Weapon was like the SMG, but with a big ol' magazine.
So the Magnum isn't as powerful in a melee. It'll take quite a few shots to finish off a full-red enemy Marine, and that's just counting the shots with which you hit. But then, that's the thing. The Magnum, as you've alluded to, ain't a melee weapon. It's a specialized tool, a sniping weapon. But the whole game of Marathon isn't conducive to sniping. Again, as you said, you don't usually find the wide-open arenas that'd be really good for pitched pistol battles -- the engine frankly doesn't allow it, what with the limit on sight and number of transparent edges. Any wide-open-spaces map that'd work outside of Aleph One would either be very bare or not actually wide open (due to tricks with negative space so there aren't any glitchy spots on the map; maybe a mapmaker could make it seem wide open, but it probably wouldn't be). Marathon is all about the dark corridors of a moon-cum-spaceship, not the headshots from across the map.
Now, this isn't to say that there aren't a number of situations for which the Magnum is perfect -- it's just that there are other weapons that are far more generally applicable and pound-for-pound, second-by-second more damaging. If you can make the Magnums work for you, more power to ya. And if those crazy fools continue to be crazy fools, remind them that there's no accounting for taste.
Also remind them that the Vidmaster Challenge exists for a reason.
Lunair

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Argh! Neoptolemus 1/25/04 6:33 p.m.

Re: Argh! Neoptolemus 1/25/04 6:38 p.m.

Re: Argh! Yossarian 1/26/04 6:36 a.m.

Re: Argh! Neoptolemus 1/27/04 1:14 p.m.

Re: Argh! Johannes Gunnar 1/27/04 1:58 p.m.

Who do you play MP with? no message *NM* Andrew "Document" Nagy 1/27/04 2:52 p.m.

People online. *NM* Johannes Gunnar 1/28/04 1:47 p.m.

Re: Argh! Neoptolemus 1/27/04 7:00 p.m.

Re: Argh! Lunair 1/27/04 7:33 p.m.

Re: Argh! Neoptolemus 1/28/04 4:16 a.m.

Re: Argh! deathmonger 1/28/04 8:20 a.m.

Good answer! :-) *NM* Johannes Gunnar 1/28/04 9:18 a.m.

Thanks *NM* deathmonger 1/28/04 11:46 a.m.

Re: Argh! Neoptolemus 1/29/04 2:51 p.m.

Re: Argh! deathmonger 1/29/04 3:42 p.m.

Re: Argh! Adam Ashwell 1/29/04 3:59 p.m.

Re: Argh! deathmonger 1/29/04 6:34 p.m.

Re: Argh! Lunair 1/29/04 6:53 p.m.

Re: Argh! Yossarian 1/28/04 9:19 a.m.

Re: Argh! Neoptolemus 1/29/04 2:40 p.m.

Re: Argh! Adam Ashwell 1/29/04 2:48 p.m.

Re: Argh! Yossarian 1/29/04 6:18 p.m.

Re: Argh! Neoptolemus 1/29/04 6:56 p.m.

Re: Argh! Lunair 1/29/04 6:18 p.m.

Re: Argh! ukimalefu 1/28/04 8:07 p.m.

Re: Argh! D-M.A. 1/29/04 12:47 a.m.

Re: Argh! Neoptolemus 1/29/04 1:33 p.m.

Re: Argh! Lunair 1/29/04 5:24 p.m.

Re: Argh! the Battle Cat 1/26/04 5:38 a.m.

Re: Argh! deathmonger 1/26/04 6:17 a.m.

Re: Argh! Boomer 1/26/04 9:50 a.m.

Re: Argh! Bob-B-Q 1/26/04 2:09 p.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings Yossarian 1/26/04 3:33 p.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings Kommienzuspadt 1/26/04 3:44 p.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings the Battle Cat 1/27/04 5:27 a.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings Elliott 1/26/04 5:44 p.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings Yossarian 1/27/04 5:12 a.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings the Battle Cat 1/27/04 6:15 a.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings paolo mk IV 1/27/04 8:29 a.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings Adam Ashwell 1/27/04 9:56 a.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings Elliott 1/27/04 11:44 a.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings Aben Zin 1/27/04 11:45 a.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings paolo mk IV 1/27/04 11:48 p.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings Adam Ashwell 1/28/04 4:00 a.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings Neoptolemus 1/28/04 4:21 a.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings Adam Ashwell 1/28/04 4:44 a.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings the Battle Cat 1/28/04 7:17 a.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings Adam Ashwell 1/28/04 7:34 a.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings Lunair 1/28/04 7:27 p.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings the Battle Cat 1/28/04 7:12 a.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings paolo mk IV 1/28/04 7:22 a.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings Bob-B-Q 1/28/04 3:23 p.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings the Battle Cat 1/29/04 7:26 a.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings the Battle Cat 1/29/04 7:01 a.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings D-M.A. 1/29/04 1:00 a.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings the Battle Cat 1/29/04 7:14 a.m.

THIS IS THE BEST WEAPON EVER!!! ;-p *NM* ukimalefu 1/29/04 5:29 p.m.

Re: THIS IS THE BEST WEAPON EVER!!! ;-p ukimalefu 1/29/04 8:13 p.m.

Re: THIS IS THE BEST WEAPON EVER!!! ;-p the Battle Cat 1/30/04 6:02 a.m.

Re: THIS IS THE BEST WEAPON EVER!!! ;-p Bob-B-Q 1/31/04 5:57 a.m.

red X *NM* Andrew Nagy 12/3/04 1:36 p.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings Elliott 1/31/04 8:22 a.m.

Re: Argh! + shotgun musings the Battle Cat 2/1/04 7:39 a.m.

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: Very true, but the thing is, our friend the Mega Class just doesn't have the : raw stopping power of any other weapon in the game (not really sure about : the Alien Weapon, but I think the slow speed of the heat bursts mitigates : its power). If you're good with the AR, you can take out a full-health : (red) enemy marine in probably around a second. SPNKR, obviously real : fast. Flamethrower puts the hurt on quite quickly. If you ignore the : ridiculously-short amount of time the SMG's drum lasts, it's like a : longer-range flamethrower. Shotguns, again ignoring ammo concerns, can do : the Ventilation thang like none other. Even the Fusion Pistol has a : charge-up capability -- and the charged shots do as much damage as the : AR's grenades. And if we go back to M1, the old Alien Weapon was like the : SMG, but with a big ol' magazine. : So the Magnum isn't as powerful in a melee. It'll take quite a few shots to : finish off a full-red enemy Marine, and that's just counting the shots : with which you hit. But then, that's the thing. The Magnum, as you've : alluded to, ain't a melee weapon. It's a specialized tool, a sniping : weapon. But the whole game of Marathon isn't conducive to sniping. Again, : as you said, you don't usually find the wide-open arenas that'd be really : good for pitched pistol battles -- the engine frankly doesn't allow it, : what with the limit on sight and number of transparent edges. Any : wide-open-spaces map that'd work outside of Aleph One would either be very : bare or not actually wide open (due to tricks with negative space so there : aren't any glitchy spots on the map; maybe a mapmaker could make it seem : wide open, but it probably wouldn't be). Marathon is all about the dark : corridors of a moon-cum-spaceship, not the headshots from across the map. : Now, this isn't to say that there aren't a number of situations for which the : Magnum is perfect -- it's just that there are other weapons that are far : more generally applicable and pound-for-pound, second-by-second more : damaging. If you can make the Magnums work for you, more power to ya. And : if those crazy fools continue to be crazy fools, remind them that there's : no accounting for taste. : Also remind them that the Vidmaster Challenge exists for a reason. : Lunair

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Argh!	Neoptolemus	1/25/04 6:33 p.m.
Re: Argh!	Neoptolemus	1/25/04 6:38 p.m.
Re: Argh!	Yossarian	1/26/04 6:36 a.m.
Re: Argh!	Neoptolemus	1/27/04 1:14 p.m.
Re: Argh!	Johannes Gunnar	1/27/04 1:58 p.m.
Who do you play MP with? no message NM	Andrew "Document" Nagy	1/27/04 2:52 p.m.
People online. NM	Johannes Gunnar	1/28/04 1:47 p.m.
Re: Argh!	Neoptolemus	1/27/04 7:00 p.m.
Re: Argh!	Lunair	1/27/04 7:33 p.m.
Re: Argh!	Neoptolemus	1/28/04 4:16 a.m.
Re: Argh!	deathmonger	1/28/04 8:20 a.m.
Good answer! :-) NM	Johannes Gunnar	1/28/04 9:18 a.m.
Thanks NM	deathmonger	1/28/04 11:46 a.m.
Re: Argh!	Neoptolemus	1/29/04 2:51 p.m.
Re: Argh!	deathmonger	1/29/04 3:42 p.m.
Re: Argh!	Adam Ashwell	1/29/04 3:59 p.m.
Re: Argh!	deathmonger	1/29/04 6:34 p.m.
Re: Argh!	Lunair	1/29/04 6:53 p.m.
Re: Argh!	Yossarian	1/28/04 9:19 a.m.
Re: Argh!	Neoptolemus	1/29/04 2:40 p.m.
Re: Argh!	Adam Ashwell	1/29/04 2:48 p.m.
Re: Argh!	Yossarian	1/29/04 6:18 p.m.
Re: Argh!	Neoptolemus	1/29/04 6:56 p.m.
Re: Argh!	Lunair	1/29/04 6:18 p.m.
Re: Argh!	ukimalefu	1/28/04 8:07 p.m.
Re: Argh!	D-M.A.	1/29/04 12:47 a.m.
Re: Argh!	Neoptolemus	1/29/04 1:33 p.m.
Re: Argh!	Lunair	1/29/04 5:24 p.m.
Re: Argh!	the Battle Cat	1/26/04 5:38 a.m.
Re: Argh!	deathmonger	1/26/04 6:17 a.m.
Re: Argh!	Boomer	1/26/04 9:50 a.m.
Re: Argh!	Bob-B-Q	1/26/04 2:09 p.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	Yossarian	1/26/04 3:33 p.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	Kommienzuspadt	1/26/04 3:44 p.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	the Battle Cat	1/27/04 5:27 a.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	Elliott	1/26/04 5:44 p.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	Yossarian	1/27/04 5:12 a.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	the Battle Cat	1/27/04 6:15 a.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	paolo mk IV	1/27/04 8:29 a.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	Adam Ashwell	1/27/04 9:56 a.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	Elliott	1/27/04 11:44 a.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	Aben Zin	1/27/04 11:45 a.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	paolo mk IV	1/27/04 11:48 p.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	Adam Ashwell	1/28/04 4:00 a.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	Neoptolemus	1/28/04 4:21 a.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	Adam Ashwell	1/28/04 4:44 a.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	the Battle Cat	1/28/04 7:17 a.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	Adam Ashwell	1/28/04 7:34 a.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	Lunair	1/28/04 7:27 p.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	the Battle Cat	1/28/04 7:12 a.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	paolo mk IV	1/28/04 7:22 a.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	Bob-B-Q	1/28/04 3:23 p.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	the Battle Cat	1/29/04 7:26 a.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	the Battle Cat	1/29/04 7:01 a.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	D-M.A.	1/29/04 1:00 a.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	the Battle Cat	1/29/04 7:14 a.m.
THIS IS THE BEST WEAPON EVER!!! ;-p NM	ukimalefu	1/29/04 5:29 p.m.
Re: THIS IS THE BEST WEAPON EVER!!! ;-p	ukimalefu	1/29/04 8:13 p.m.
Re: THIS IS THE BEST WEAPON EVER!!! ;-p	the Battle Cat	1/30/04 6:02 a.m.
Re: THIS IS THE BEST WEAPON EVER!!! ;-p	Bob-B-Q	1/31/04 5:57 a.m.
red X NM	Andrew Nagy	12/3/04 1:36 p.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	Elliott	1/31/04 8:22 a.m.
Re: Argh! + shotgun musings	the Battle Cat	2/1/04 7:39 a.m.



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	Message: : Very true, but the thing is, our friend the Mega Class just doesn't have the : raw stopping power of any other weapon in the game (not really sure about : the Alien Weapon, but I think the slow speed of the heat bursts mitigates : its power). If you're good with the AR, you can take out a full-health : (red) enemy marine in probably around a second. SPNKR, obviously real : fast. Flamethrower puts the hurt on quite quickly. If you ignore the : ridiculously-short amount of time the SMG's drum lasts, it's like a : longer-range flamethrower. Shotguns, again ignoring ammo concerns, can do : the Ventilation thang like none other. Even the Fusion Pistol has a : charge-up capability -- and the charged shots do as much damage as the : AR's grenades. And if we go back to M1, the old Alien Weapon was like the : SMG, but with a big ol' magazine. : So the Magnum isn't as powerful in a melee. It'll take quite a few shots to : finish off a full-red enemy Marine, and that's just counting the shots : with which you hit. But then, that's the thing. The Magnum, as you've : alluded to, ain't a melee weapon. It's a specialized tool, a sniping : weapon. But the whole game of Marathon isn't conducive to sniping. Again, : as you said, you don't usually find the wide-open arenas that'd be really : good for pitched pistol battles -- the engine frankly doesn't allow it, : what with the limit on sight and number of transparent edges. Any : wide-open-spaces map that'd work outside of Aleph One would either be very : bare or not actually wide open (due to tricks with negative space so there : aren't any glitchy spots on the map; maybe a mapmaker could make it seem : wide open, but it probably wouldn't be). Marathon is all about the dark : corridors of a moon-cum-spaceship, not the headshots from across the map. : Now, this isn't to say that there aren't a number of situations for which the : Magnum is perfect -- it's just that there are other weapons that are far : more generally applicable and pound-for-pound, second-by-second more : damaging. If you can make the Magnums work for you, more power to ya. And : if those crazy fools continue to be crazy fools, remind them that there's : no accounting for taste. : Also remind them that the Vidmaster Challenge exists for a reason. : Lunair
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