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Re: Temporal Starting Point
Posted By: GodotDate: 8/3/13 4:50 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Temporal Starting Point (Roland)

: The DL&FT section lists one difference between the manual and Ne Cede Malis.

: Durandal claims he slaughtered the Pfhor fleet and garrison in Ne Cede Malis,
: but in the manual Tfear claims he disabled Durandal's ship.

: As far as I can tell, both are true. Tfear describes taking losses but
: ultimately disabling Durandal's ship. Every other timeline in which they
: meet in battle (M2, Acme Station, Foe Hammer) ends the same: Durandal
: inflicts heavy casualties (a good old fashioned slaughtering) with his
: upgraded ship, but is ultimately disabled.

: Durandal says he destroyed the garrison.
: Tfear says: "We waited quietly while Durandal dispatched the garrison
: fleet’s picket ships, ..."

: Durandal says he "slaughtered" the Western Arm of their fleet.
: Tfear says he: "disabled [Durandal's] ship with acceptable losses."

: To the Pfhor, "acceptable losses" is pretty vague. When most of
: your troops are slaves or the bottom castes of your society, most
: sacrifices seem acceptable. I think this doesn't preclude NCM and the
: Manual from being different timelines. Definitely doesn't prove it, though
: of course anything is possible if more information were to surface (ie the
: official ruling).

: Most likely, if there are differences, they aren't intentional (but that's
: getting pretty guessworky, even for me).

You make some valid points. Thanks for laying out your thoughts on this.

I agree that what an 'acceptable loss' is for the Pfhor may be deemed a slaughter by others. The old Pyrrhic victory again.

However, the whole tone of the Ne Cede Malis events is one in which Durandal has completely annihilated Battle Group Seven. He is the victor and as he says himself:

But in their final gasp they used a weapon that I thought they had retired, even Tycho tried to keep them from using it.

In the Manual story, Durandal is on the back foot, he is the one retreating. He is not the victor.

Thus I am seeing more evidence to suggest that these are different timelines rather than the same timeline.

Cheers
Hamish

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     Re: Temporal Starting PointMartin 7/31/13 5:59 p.m.
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           Re: Temporal Starting PointRoland 7/31/13 8:52 p.m.
                 Re: Temporal Starting PointGodot 8/1/13 12:11 a.m.
                       Re: Temporal Starting PointRoland 8/1/13 2:29 p.m.
                             Re: Temporal Starting PointGodot 8/1/13 10:28 p.m.
                                   Re: Temporal Starting PointRoland 8/2/13 2:35 p.m.
                                         Re: Temporal Starting PointGodot 8/3/13 4:50 a.m.
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                                                           Re: Temporal Starting PointRoland 8/3/13 1:43 p.m.
                                   Re: Temporal Starting PointForrest of B.org 8/3/13 11:15 a.m.
                                         Re: Temporal Starting PointRoland 8/3/13 1:36 p.m.
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                                                                                   Re: This may be totally bonkers...Roland 8/6/13 2:22 p.m.
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                                                                             Re: This may be totally bonkers...Roland 8/6/13 2:15 p.m.
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                                                                                         Re: This may be totally bonkers...Roland 8/7/13 6:39 p.m.
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                                                                                               Re: This may be totally bonkers...Godot 8/7/13 11:38 p.m.
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