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Re: Temporal Starting Point
Posted By: Forrest of B.orgDate: 8/3/13 3:16 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Temporal Starting Point (Hopper)

: The dotted lines represent the normal order a player would encounter
: everything -- thus, Marathon 2 followed by Infinity's manual followed by
: the Infinity levels in order. As you can see, that doesn't tell you much
: about in-universe chronology.

: You could take it as the SO's personal chronology, since it's natural to
: assume his knowledge of all the timelines matches our own, but I don't
: think there's really anything to confirm or deny that assumption beyond
: the genre conventions (we are the SO as we play, so we share his
: experiences and knowledge along with his eyesight).

If the SO's personal chronology doesn't match the order of revelation in the games, then I don't know how we can answer the question about his in-universe chronology, other than throwing up our hands and saying that we're just witnessing bits of the lives of many alternate versions of the SO until we (the players, not the player-character) find one where he wins, but that's a little too meta even for Infinity and not very fulfilling (and what sense does it make of dream levels, etc?)

It would all make so much more sense if the Infinity Prologue and Ne Cede Malis clearly took place following All Roads Lead To Sol: M2 as we know it happens, the W'rkncacnter is released, Durandal gets trapped on the Jjaro station, Tfear begs for forgiveness, and we get sent back across time and timelines to just prior to the start of M2 in a timeline where Durandal didn't abduct us. That goes just as badly so we're sent back again to a timeline where Durandal did abduct us but woke us up earlier. That goes just as badly so we're back to a Tycho-lead timeline again, one that lasted a bit longer but still goes all sour eventually. So then we go back and try a slight variation on that which ends up preventing the W'rkncacnter's release. Voila, everything makes nice linear sense.

But aside from the question of whether Ne Cede Malis and the Infinity Prologue are the same timeline or not, Ne Cede Malis is clearly not the end of Marathon 2, as Durandal muses about how if only he had had time to send you exploring Lh'owon, things might have turned out different, whereas M2 is all about exploring Lh'owon. So that option is out.

It could also make sense if the final timeline ended the way M2 did, or ended with us going on the start of M2 (as the "Thing What Kicks..." timeline almost does). If that were the case, then it could be argued that Infinity is an "interquel"; that we originally went off with Tycho, that ended in ruin, we tried a couple alternate timelines, and eventually settled on the M2 one where somehow things work out. Except give what we know from the other timelines the M2 one shouldn't work out, and Infinity clearly ends in a different timeline than M2 takes place in.

Basically it seems that Infinity takes place entirely in different timelines to Marathon 2, and there is no indication of where they may connect with each other besides the fact that we play Infinity after we play M2. That still leaves unexplained how the M2 timeline apparently has a long non-W'rk'd-up future ahead of it when by all accounts it shouldn't, and it also doesn't explain why whatever is sending us around time and timelines would show us two alternate failed timelines before we get to see the one we were already in fail. But that's what seems to happen, and with no basis to think anything otherwise, I think that's all we're really got to go on.

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Temporal Starting PointShaunKL 7/31/13 5:13 p.m.
     Re: Temporal Starting PointMartin 7/31/13 5:59 p.m.
           Re: Temporal Starting PointShaunKL 7/31/13 7:10 p.m.
           Re: Temporal Starting PointRoland 7/31/13 8:52 p.m.
                 Re: Temporal Starting PointGodot 8/1/13 12:11 a.m.
                       Re: Temporal Starting PointRoland 8/1/13 2:29 p.m.
                             Re: Temporal Starting PointGodot 8/1/13 10:28 p.m.
                                   Re: Temporal Starting PointRoland 8/2/13 2:35 p.m.
                                         Re: Temporal Starting PointGodot 8/3/13 4:50 a.m.
                                               Re: Temporal Starting PointRoland 8/3/13 10:29 a.m.
                                                     Re: Temporal Starting PointGodot 8/3/13 11:05 a.m.
                                                           Re: Temporal Starting PointRoland 8/3/13 1:43 p.m.
                                   Re: Temporal Starting PointForrest of B.org 8/3/13 11:15 a.m.
                                         Re: Temporal Starting PointRoland 8/3/13 1:36 p.m.
                                               Re: Temporal Starting PointHopper 8/3/13 2:48 p.m.
                                                     Re: Temporal Starting PointForrest of B.org 8/3/13 3:16 p.m.
                                                           Re: Temporal Starting PointHopper 8/3/13 3:28 p.m.
                                                           Re: Temporal Starting PointRoland 8/3/13 3:46 p.m.
                                                           Re: Temporal Starting PointHopper 8/3/13 4:17 p.m.
                                                           This may be totally bonkers...Bob-B-Q 8/4/13 5:40 a.m.
                                                                 Re: This may be totally bonkers...Roland 8/5/13 2:21 p.m.
                                                                       Re: This may be totally bonkers...Bob-B-Q 8/6/13 9:01 a.m.
                                                                             Re: This may be totally bonkers...Martin 8/6/13 10:41 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: This may be totally bonkers...Roland 8/6/13 2:22 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: This may be totally bonkers...Martin 8/6/13 6:22 p.m.
                                                                             Re: This may be totally bonkers...Roland 8/6/13 2:15 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: This may be totally bonkers...Godot 8/7/13 5:14 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: This may be totally bonkers...Roland 8/7/13 6:39 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: This may be totally bonkers...Godot 8/7/13 11:52 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: This may be totally bonkers...PerseusSpartacus 8/7/13 11:05 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: This may be totally bonkers...Godot 8/7/13 11:38 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: This may be totally bonkers...Godot 8/8/13 3:25 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: This may be totally bonkers...PerseusSpartacus 8/8/13 8:40 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: This may be totally bonkers...Godot 8/8/13 9:13 a.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: This may be totally bonkers...Bob-B-Q 8/8/13 10:40 a.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: This may be totally bonkers...Godot 8/8/13 10:46 a.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: This may be totally bonkers...Godot 8/8/13 11:00 a.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: This may be totally bonkers...Roland 8/8/13 3:16 p.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: This may be totally bonkers...Bob-B-Q 8/8/13 4:15 p.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: This may be totally bonkers...Godot 8/8/13 8:19 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                     Re: This may be totally bonkers...Godot 8/9/13 12:18 a.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: This may be totally bonkers...Godot 8/8/13 11:17 a.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: This may be totally bonkers...PerseusSpartacus 8/8/13 2:46 p.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: This may be totally bonkers...Godot 8/8/13 8:21 p.m.
                                                                                               M2 textures in InfinityDocument 8/10/13 3:20 a.m.
                                         Re: Temporal Starting PointGodot 8/5/13 12:12 a.m.
                             Re: Temporal Starting PointHokuto 8/2/13 1:07 a.m.
           Re: Temporal Starting PointGodot 7/31/13 11:51 p.m.
     Re: Temporal Starting PointGodot 7/31/13 10:16 p.m.
           Re: Temporal Starting PointShaunKL 8/3/13 4:00 p.m.
                 Re: Temporal Starting PointRoland 8/3/13 4:53 p.m.
                       Re: Temporal Starting PointShaunKL 8/3/13 5:18 p.m.
                             Re: Temporal Starting PointRoland 8/3/13 8:57 p.m.

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