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Re: A true visionary!
Posted By: ChrisTheeCrappy <chrishammers@gmail.com>	Date: 3/6/12 9:11 a.m.
In Response To: Re: A true visionary! (RC Master) : That's the way TrueSkill is designed. If you start 'new' players in the : middle that means, by virtue of the way the the skill distributing works, : there is a 50% chance that the player's actual skill is above that, and a : 50% chance that their skill is below that. Plus, the majority of players' : skills are bunched around the middle anyway, so it is more more likely to : get close games quickly unless the new players' skill differs drastically : from the average (very high or very low skill). I was under the assumption trueSkill started you off at 0. If it starts you off at 25, I am fine with that, I may not have gotten my point across but I CAN see the point in starting at 25 in certain situations. : Conversely if you start new players at zero, there is a 99% chance that their : skill is above that - people who are actually low skilled will get : stomped on a lot, by players who may only be average skill. Right but they need to start somewhere. : Now you know why Halo 3's implementation of TrueSkill sucked for matchmaking. Did you read how I still get 50's all the time when I am a 38? The fact it starts you off at 0 is not why it sucks. : That goes beyond what TrueSkill tries to achieve and the lack of such : considerations is a criticism of both TrueSkill itself and the way it is : used in games like Halo: Reach. True. : Well I've no idea exactly how loose the matching is in Reach. But you can : also balance teams using TrueSkill to maximise draw probability. As a : crude example: Red has a 40 and a 25, and Blue team has a level 38 and 26 : - so together the assumption is both teams are roughly equal. This is true, but if you start off at 25 and are actually a 10. Then this is going to be a shit show of a game. And will make it harder to tell what your trueSkill really is. : What do you mean? I think starting at 25 makes sense, but only within the first 3 weeks of a game shipping. The reason being like your example of matching a 25 and 40 against a 26 and 38 should be a generally equal match, so doing this at the beginning would make sense, as it's easier to say "hey, that 25 destroyed that 25, make him a 35 and the other a 20". Granted, you could say if you can do that at the start you can do it all the time. But starting the people at 0 after a bit of time allows the game to more easier judge their skill. When you are a 1 you play 1-10 ranked people. So if you destroy all of them, it's safe to say you are most likely above a 10. That's easier than you being a 25 and playing 15-35's and doing bad. How far do you drop them, etc. Granted, that would happen eventually but once you have games under your belt so it knows you are already at that talent range.

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T-Squared Talks Halo4 Wishlist	ChrisTheeCrappy	3/5/12 12:07 p.m.
Re: T-Squared Talks Halo4 Wishlist	Phoenix_9286	3/5/12 12:20 p.m.
Re: T-Squared Talks Halo4 Wishlist	ChrisTheeCrappy	3/5/12 12:23 p.m.
Re: T-Squared Talks Halo4 Wishlist	Phoenix_9286	3/5/12 12:28 p.m.
Re: T-Squared Talks Halo4 Wishlist	ChrisTheeCrappy	3/5/12 12:45 p.m.
Re: T-Squared Talks Halo4 Wishlist	Phoenix_9286	3/5/12 1:03 p.m.
Re: T-Squared Talks Halo4 Wishlist	RC Master	3/5/12 4:33 p.m.
Re: T-Squared Talks Halo4 Wishlist	ChrisTheeCrappy	3/5/12 6:09 p.m.
Re: T-Squared Talks Halo4 Wishlist	RC Master	3/6/12 5:14 a.m.
Re: T-Squared Talks Halo4 Wishlist	ChrisTheeCrappy	3/6/12 8:59 a.m.
Re: T-Squared Talks Halo4 Wishlist	Compton	3/5/12 1:59 p.m.
A true visionary!	RC Master	3/5/12 12:55 p.m.
yeah, what a joke *NM*	kidtsunami	3/5/12 3:12 p.m.
Re: A true visionary!	Pkmnrulz240	3/5/12 4:32 p.m.
Re: A true visionary!	RC Master	3/5/12 5:25 p.m.
Re: A true visionary!	ChrisTheeCrappy	3/5/12 5:53 p.m.
Re: A true visionary!	RC Master	3/5/12 8:11 p.m.
Re: A true visionary!	stabbim	3/5/12 8:36 p.m.
Re: A true visionary!	ChrisTheeCrappy	3/6/12 9:11 a.m.
Re: T-Squared Talks Halo4 Wishlist	Flynn J Taggart	3/5/12 1:37 p.m.
Re: T-Squared Talks Halo4 Wishlist	Louis Wu	3/5/12 1:41 p.m.
Re: T-Squared Talks Halo4 Wishlist	Flynn J Taggart	3/5/12 1:56 p.m.
T-Squared is the image MLG wants.	bryan newman	3/5/12 2:15 p.m.