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| Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT* | |
| Posted By: Beckx | Date: 12/22/11 7:08 a.m. |
In Response To: Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT* (Leviathan) : I was just daydreaming about playing : Feanor. :) You be Feanor, I'll be Fingolfin. :) By the way, I have some discomfort explaining things I don't like because (1) it tends to downplay the parts that I loved, which generally predominated (if less and less so each movie), and (2) I don't like to think of my commentary possibly spoiling others' existing enjoyment. : The ghosts being at Minas Tirith was indeed strange (and I myself wasn't the
Not really, because Jackson added potency and "typical fairy story" magic to the ghosts, who were powerless. : What was more on my mind
This was so well done, which brings us to: : As for the 'green heaven waiting after death', I am not sure what you're
: I found that perfectly suiting to the scene and the situation, and was very
Here we must disagree flatly: when Elves die, they go to the halls of Mandos in Valinor; for those that live, if they never rebelled (i.e., still live in Valinor) they will continue to live in Valinor; for the rebels & the remaining Moriquendi, they are given the grace to sail to Tol Eressea, the island lying in sight of Valinor. Frodo's dream is of Tol Eressea, and it is his grace to sail there with Bilbo at the end of the book, there to spend their remaining years until they die. It is emphatically not a heaven for men and hobbits. For men, they know that they die; that they do not go to the halls of Mandos; and that they are told Iluvatar has a purpose for them at the end of time. They are asked to believe this on faith, and not to cling to life, but instead face the unknown with courage. For hobbits, it's much the same, except there is no mention of them at all in any of the tales or promises of Iluvatar. Again: in the mythology of Tolkien it is explicit that men and hobbits do not know what happens at death. This is crucial to the story. Fearing death and jealous of paradise, Ar-Pharazon sailed his fleet to the shores of Valinor, where Manwe laid down for a moment his governance of the world, and Iluvatar broke it, drowning Valinor and burying Ar-Pharazon and his navy. In the books, Gandalf makes reference to the fear of the unknown after death, and to how Denethor was emulating the terrified kings of savage men, who go mad in their fear of death, and slay their children to ease their own passing. Thus is the mark of King Elessar's great faith that he does not cling to life, even as Arwen begs him to stay, but instead willingly passes into death and the unknown. Let us not dwell on it, though, or, worse, talk about Faramir! Because I am trying to convince myself of the following: : In the end, my issues with the movies are nitpics - the good shine so bright
And this is what I love about them, too. :) : The movies also helped me have a three hour conversation with a girl about
And that, my friend, is awesome, as is the fact that you're the only other person I know who has something obscurely Tolkien in his Xbox live profile (your username & my slogan).
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