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Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT*
Posted By: Leviathan <levihoffmeier@gmail.com>Date: 12/22/11 12:16 a.m.

In Response To: Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT* (Beckx)


: As much as I'd love to see a faithful HBO multi-season presentation of the
: First Age works, it's extremely likely to happen. My understanding is that
: the only film rights Tolkien licensed were for Hobbit and LotR in the late
: 50s.* Unless their position has changed in recent years, the family is
: adamant that they will not sell any more film rights.**

Aye, I've also read some examples on his thoughts on movie adaptations of his works, and find them very smart. I was just daydreaming about playing Feanor. :)

: This last comment is what damns the Jackson additions for me, what creates my
: feeling of conflict. Removing material and subtly weaving together threads
: to make the books work as films - this I get, this I accept, this is not a
: problem; I react in the same spirit as the first quote above. But this
: intrusion of unwarranted matter these things, like the ghosts at Minas
: Tirith, like the change to Faramir, like the happy green heaven waiting
: after death, these things miss the core of the original in their
: entirety.

That same comment is what saves Jackson's adaptations for me. To me, the core themes that I found in the book were of hope and courage against despair, addiction and lust, as well as of self-sacrifice and of sincere friendship. And I find those themes amazingly prevalent in the movies. So often, and executed so well, in fact, that I care less about those issues which I would have done a bit differently, like the Dead at Minas Tirith, or the lack of Price Imrahil.

The ghosts being at Minas Tirith was indeed strange (and I myself wasn't the biggest fan of their depictions either) but then again, wasn't it simply a moving of an army from one location to another? What was more on my mind was that I had just cried watching a giant cavalry charge with chants of embracing death, and had grown anxious as I watched Denethor go mad with the weakness of men that is so common in Tolkien's stories.

As for the 'green heaven waiting after death', I am not sure what you're referring to... If you're referring to Gandalf comforting Pippin as the Orcs and trolls of Mordor are about to break through one of the upper gates of Minas Tirith, he's describing departing this world as coming to Valinor, using words even that Tolkien used to describe that land when Frodo dreamed of it Tom Babmbidal's house:

"...seemed to come like a pale light behind a grey rain-curtain, and growing stronger to turn the veil all to glass and silver, until at last it was rolled back, and a far green country opened before him under a swift sunrise."

I found that perfectly suiting to the scene and the situation, and was very happy as I began to imagine Valinor during the movie - something that always was a sort of heaven, especially to the Elves, in my interpretation of the novels.

That's why I loved the movies - they understood the mythology enough to use it in different places where they could fit it with their pacing, like Gandalf's description of Eowyn at Minas Tirith being given to Wormtongue in Edoras, for example.

In the end, my issues with the movies are nitpics - the good shine so bright and so often that they fall by the wayside. Gandalf standing against the armies of Mordor at the White City or Aragorn before the Black Gate are images that helped fortify my spirit and allowed me to survive High School, truly a place only Morgoth could have created.

The movies also helped me have a three hour conversation with a girl about our love of the books and movies, which led to us celebrating a 6 year anniversary of that conversation just yesterday - the conversation that led to our relationship. :)

A Fistful of Arrows



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The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT*Postmortem 12/21/11 12:05 p.m.
     You mean, "LoTR: The Prequel" *OT*JDQuackers 12/21/11 12:27 p.m.
           Re: You mean, "LoTR: The Prequel" *OT*DMFanella 12/21/11 12:37 p.m.
                 Re: You mean, "LoTR: The Prequel" *OT*JDQuackers 12/21/11 12:42 p.m.
                       Re: You mean, "LoTR: The Prequel" *OT*Leviathan 12/21/11 1:03 p.m.
                       Re: You mean, "LoTR: The Prequel" *OT*General Vagueness 12/21/11 4:01 p.m.
                 Re: You mean, "LoTR: The Prequel" *OT*Beckx 12/21/11 1:17 p.m.
                       Re: You mean, "LoTR: The Prequel" *OT*Urban Reflex 12/21/11 1:25 p.m.
                             Re: You mean, "LoTR: The Prequel" *OT*Beckx 12/21/11 1:35 p.m.
                                   Re: You mean, "LoTR: The Prequel" *OT*Jazo 12/21/11 2:35 p.m.
                                         Re: You mean, "LoTR: The Prequel" *OT*Beckx 12/21/11 2:39 p.m.
                       Re: You mean, "LoTR: The Prequel" *OT*Quirel 12/21/11 7:09 p.m.
                             Re: You mean, "LoTR: The Prequel" *OT*Beckx 12/21/11 7:37 p.m.
                             Re: You mean, "LoTR: The Prequel" *OT*Lurono 12/21/11 11:52 p.m.
                                   Re: You mean, "LoTR: The Prequel" *OT*Quirel 12/22/11 12:49 a.m.
                                         Can't disagree there =) *NM*Lurono 12/22/11 2:31 a.m.
           Re: You mean, "LoTR: The Prequel" *OT*General Vagueness 12/21/11 3:09 p.m.
                 Re: You mean, "LoTR: The Prequel" *OT*JDQuackers 12/21/11 3:17 p.m.
                       Re: You mean, "LoTR: The Prequel" *OT*SonGoharotto 12/21/11 3:58 p.m.
           Re: You mean, "LoTR: The Prequel" *OT*TheSparbiter 12/22/11 3:57 a.m.
     Sweet!Seraph XXVII 12/21/11 12:45 p.m.
     Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT*Urban Reflex 12/21/11 1:07 p.m.
     Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT*7he grunt w/a plasma pistol 12/21/11 4:19 p.m.
     Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT*padraig08 12/21/11 5:52 p.m.
           Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT*Leviathan 12/21/11 6:11 p.m.
                 Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT*Beckx 12/21/11 9:09 p.m.
                       Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT*Leviathan 12/22/11 12:16 a.m.
                             Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT*Beckx 12/22/11 7:08 a.m.
                                   Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT*SonofMacPhisto 12/22/11 9:05 a.m.
                                   The Council of BeckxLeviathan 12/22/11 2:24 p.m.
                                         Re: The Council of BeckxBeckx 12/22/11 2:48 p.m.
                             Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT*uberfoop 12/22/11 12:00 p.m.
                                   Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT*Leviathan 12/22/11 12:44 p.m.
                                         Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT*uberfoop 12/22/11 4:12 p.m.
                 Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT*Flynn J Taggart 12/21/11 9:33 p.m.
     Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT*Quirel 12/22/11 6:08 p.m.
           Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT*Warren Peace 12/23/11 2:36 p.m.
                 Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT*Quirel 12/23/11 2:38 p.m.
                 Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT*General Vagueness 12/23/11 4:24 p.m.
           Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey *OT*SonofMacPhisto 12/23/11 2:50 p.m.



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