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Re: Mapping community
Posted By: goranDate: 10/6/05 11:55 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Mapping community (me_43)

: Anyway. This map, at least, is exactly as I expected: Very cool, but NOT
: pushing the boundaries of the engine. Seriously, are you fucking joking
: me?! Have you SEEN Missed Island or even the Killing Time tutorials?!?
: THOSE are pushing the bounds of the engine.

It was never about pushing the boundaries of the engine, it was about teaching mapping. There are things hidden in good mappers that maybe never will see the light of the day. Mapping principles, mapping rules, you know, internal stuff.
Becoming a good mapper cost the price of time, and that time gives you experience you can share.

When I said I'd reached my own limit - I meant it. I've mastered one "useful" skill after another, there's no more "aha" that's how I should do it. If I want an effect done in marathon I basically know how I create it. (except for "missed island" puzzles that are sooooo useful in marathon scenarios)
This is where I get my confidence from, which ppl tend to mistake for arrogance.

I've scavenged both killing time and missed island for all useful tricks a long time ago (years ago actually). All tricks don't have that much potential. That's just how it is.

Have you ever seen anyone actually using the hi-tech stuff from missed island? (I talk about enforcer switches and nothing else)

Do you know why? It has no "real" worth out there. The techniques were designed for a "myst" gameplay - marathon is not myst.

Almost the same thing goes with "killing time". The tricks are cool, but most of them were designed with the killingtime setting in mind.

blowing up pipes - was seen by Mark levin before killing time. Credit goes to him. (this is useful for blow up missions)

Somebody that need a flashlight?
Somebody that need breakable windows in year 2600+. (besides, this effect can be set up much easier with mml, so easy his method seems like A LOT of work)

swinging and sliding doors are quite useful actually, but can easily be replaced with a normal door. If anything, it's a visual effect. The function is the same as a "one time door".

the laser aim is all cool, but it's USELESS now when we have crosschairs in alephone.

The tunnel is no extraordinary new trick. It's been seen before killingtime. The only thing he did was to add pure black inside it so you couldn't pick out it was actually squarish.

I'm working this from memory now, I've might have missed something.

If you distrust my knowledge, give a monster a moving sequence of "-1". This creates a monster that will fire nonstop at the first target it sees, and it won't stop firing at that direction (the monsters aim is fixed!). Anybody who wants fixed cannon towers? Or a constant flow of projectiles between structures, similating a war. Or perhaps a constant flow on invisible projectiles effected by double gravity over a liquid, creating a bubble effect.

I know stuff, but honestly - how often do you need all those cool tricks?

What I'm trying to say it that somes tricks are good
and some tricks are impressive but without real worth (like my "-1" trick above)

-goran

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Mapping communitygoran 9/27/05 11:52 a.m.
     Re: Mapping communityBlake37 9/27/05 12:11 p.m.
     Re: Mapping communityNick Hoad 9/27/05 1:30 p.m.
     Re: Mapping communityMe_43 9/27/05 8:23 p.m.
           Re: Mapping communitygoran 9/28/05 12:38 a.m.
                 Re: Mapping communityRyokoTK 9/28/05 3:25 a.m.
                       Re: Mapping communitygoran 9/28/05 5:23 a.m.
                             Re: Mapping communityForrest of B.org 9/28/05 8:18 a.m.
                             Re: Mapping communityNick Hoad 9/28/05 12:52 p.m.
                                   Re: Mapping communityRyokoTK 9/28/05 5:23 p.m.
                             Re: Mapping communityellio7t 9/30/05 9:15 a.m.
                 ****To mapping community****me_43 9/28/05 11:45 p.m.
                       Just be quiet, me_43. Seriously. *NM*RyokoTK 9/29/05 3:39 a.m.
                             Re: Just be quiet, me_43. Seriously.Simon/team Sigma 9/29/05 3:50 a.m.
                       Re: ****To mapping community****goran 9/29/05 4:02 a.m.
                       Can't we all just get along? *NM*Bob-B-Q 9/29/05 4:47 a.m.
                             Re: Can't we all just get along?Simon/team Sigma 9/29/05 5:11 a.m.
                             Consider the circumstances.RyokoTK 9/29/05 12:38 p.m.
                                   Re: Consider the circumstances.me_43 10/4/05 3:19 a.m.
                       I'm with Bob-B-Q on thisReiginko 9/29/05 5:33 a.m.
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                                               I wouldn't see it as "preaching"MrHen 9/29/05 11:41 a.m.
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                                               Re: To all of you...RyokoTK 10/1/05 4:00 a.m.
                                                     Re: To all of you...me_43 10/1/05 7:27 a.m.
                                                           Re: To all of you...Simon/team Sigma 10/1/05 12:17 p.m.
                                                                 Re: To all of you...Steve Levinson 10/1/05 7:07 p.m.
                                                                       Re: To all of you...C Lund 10/1/05 11:16 p.m.
                       Re: An objective opinion? Maybe.Blayne 9/29/05 7:40 a.m.
                       Re: ****To mapping community****Adam Ashwell 9/29/05 12:08 p.m.
                       To me_43, Göran and anyone else who'll listenSteve Levinson 9/30/05 9:08 p.m.
                             Re: To me_43, Göran and anyone else who'll listenD-M.A. 9/30/05 9:22 p.m.
                             Re: To me_43, Göran and anyone else who'll listenForrest of B.org 9/30/05 10:35 p.m.
                             Re: To me_43, Göran and anyone else who'll listengoran 10/1/05 12:28 a.m.
                             Re: To me_43, Göran and anyone else who'll listenme_43 10/1/05 2:45 a.m.
           Re: Mapping communityD-M.A. 9/29/05 10:42 a.m.
                 Re: Mapping communityme_43 10/5/05 10:01 p.m.
                       Can't see shit. *omg downloads*Me_43 10/5/05 11:27 p.m.
                             Oh, man, and I thought this thread had diedReiginko 10/6/05 2:08 a.m.
                                   Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had diedForrest of B.org 10/6/05 6:51 a.m.
                                         Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had diedgoran 10/6/05 9:51 a.m.
                                               Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had diedForrest of B.org 10/6/05 2:16 p.m.
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                                                                             Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had diedNick Hoad 10/7/05 1:54 p.m.
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                                                                                         Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had diedme_43 10/8/05 12:55 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had diedgoran 10/8/05 1:34 a.m.
                                                           Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had diedRyokoTK 10/7/05 3:12 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had diedme_43 10/8/05 12:55 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had diedRyokoTK 10/8/05 3:16 a.m.
                             Do you really think you can make better maps?RyokoTK 10/6/05 3:34 a.m.
                                   Re: Do you really think you can make better maps?Simon/team Sigma 10/6/05 3:55 a.m.
                       Re: Mapping communitygoran 10/6/05 4:14 a.m.
                             [end thread]me_43 10/6/05 5:06 a.m.
                                   Re: [end thread]D-M.A. 10/6/05 7:55 a.m.
                                   Re: [end thread]Dave 10/7/05 9:08 p.m.
                                         Re: [end thread]goran 10/8/05 1:32 a.m.
                                         Re: [end thread]goran 10/8/05 2:06 a.m.
                                               Re: [end thread]RyokoTK 10/8/05 3:16 a.m.
                       Re: Mapping communitygoran 10/6/05 4:53 a.m.
                       Re: Mapping communitygoran 10/6/05 11:55 a.m.

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