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Re: Mapping community

Posted By: me_43 Date: 10/5/05 10:01 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Mapping community (D-M.A.)

: Me_43, the problem here is that Göran has been pushing the limitations of
: the engine for years. He, contrary to what you believe, knows a hell of a
: lot more than you about making a great map. There is NOT a lot more, Göran
: has probably done it all. As you've witnessed, you did get an arrogant
: reply to a very misconceptionate post. Surprised? I'm not.
: Now, I would love to see EO done and feature complete. You're a talanted
: programmer, I would hate to see you having wasted three years for nothing.
: Regards,
: D-M.A. (the wise)
*Randomly downloads Pollution Reanimation Beta*
Okay, here I'm just going to write down what went through my head as I played it.
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Heh, lowercase folder names, and lots of them. No cool icons. -shrug- not very important, but you should spend time polishing your work.
What the hell? The opening force-field causes horrible bouncing. Even after it's dispelled you can still cause bouncing if you move in the right way. Hidden terminal done perfectly, though.
What the hell is the deal with these spark things on the floor? They move in a cool way... but that doesn't explain shit.
Matrix-wall is moderately cool.
"The bobs tell you" is all well and good but it's really not that hard to hide the terminal or put a flashing "Press tab to speak" overlay on there.
Lighting is passable, it doesn't behave like that in real life.
Geometry is very cool. Same for textures.
It's impossible to get to the health thingies regardless of how well you shoot and run. **thumbs down** and on top of that the switch's darkness means you can't tell whether you triggered it from a distance. Is this intentional?
Narrow, BoB filled corridors? Trash! Never, never, never do this!!
Transparent liquid containers mildly cool. You can put a platform in there to give the impression of tide, you know. Similarly, they don't have to be all full and intact.
Woah! There's a bug in that place where you open the door by pressing the switch next to it. I hope that's not intentional or anything... pressing it managed to cause the whole area to go untextured (probably the player's containing poly screwing up in one way or another) until the platform reversed! I couldn't reproduce the effect, though. Odd, still.
--------------------
Anyway. This map, at least, is exactly as I expected: Very cool, but NOT pushing the boundaries of the engine. Seriously, are you fucking joking me?! Have you SEEN Missed Island or even the Killing Time tutorials?!? THOSE are pushing the bounds of the engine.
Maybe this is just a bad example of such a map, but it seems to me he is a very very good, but in all honesty, unremarkable mapper (ie, great but conventional maps). If it's a bad example, please tell me and point out something more interesting.
Why don't I show you my trickiest creation. Evil grin. It was so satanic I had to keep it in a locked cupboard for years, unfinished, so I'm going to have to finish it off before I unleash it on the world (right now it's a bit disjointed, there are too many areas linked by teleporters) and it won't exactly be playable. Still, it's wild.
Shit! I never released MMN 4. Hell, I might as well do that, while I'm at it.
Gimme a few hours, k?

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Mapping community goran 9/27/05 11:52 a.m.

Re: Mapping community Blake37 9/27/05 12:11 p.m.

Re: Mapping community Nick Hoad 9/27/05 1:30 p.m.

Re: Mapping community Me_43 9/27/05 8:23 p.m.

Re: Mapping community goran 9/28/05 12:38 a.m.

Re: Mapping community RyokoTK 9/28/05 3:25 a.m.

Re: Mapping community goran 9/28/05 5:23 a.m.

Re: Mapping community Forrest of B.org 9/28/05 8:18 a.m.

Re: Mapping community Nick Hoad 9/28/05 12:52 p.m.

Re: Mapping community RyokoTK 9/28/05 5:23 p.m.

Re: Mapping community ellio7t 9/30/05 9:15 a.m.

****To mapping community**** me_43 9/28/05 11:45 p.m.

Just be quiet, me_43. Seriously. *NM* RyokoTK 9/29/05 3:39 a.m.

Re: Just be quiet, me_43. Seriously. Simon/team Sigma 9/29/05 3:50 a.m.

Re: ****To mapping community**** goran 9/29/05 4:02 a.m.

Can't we all just get along? *NM* Bob-B-Q 9/29/05 4:47 a.m.

Re: Can't we all just get along? Simon/team Sigma 9/29/05 5:11 a.m.

Consider the circumstances. RyokoTK 9/29/05 12:38 p.m.

Re: Consider the circumstances. me_43 10/4/05 3:19 a.m.

I'm with Bob-B-Q on this Reiginko 9/29/05 5:33 a.m.

Re: I'm with Bob-B-Q on this me_43 9/29/05 6:38 a.m.

To all of you... Forrest of B.org 9/29/05 7:47 a.m.

Re: To all of you... kyjel 9/29/05 9:11 a.m.

Re: To all of you... Jacke 9/29/05 9:51 a.m.

Re: To all of you... Forrest of B.org 9/29/05 8:06 p.m.

Re: To all of you... goran 9/29/05 10:00 p.m.

Sleep is irrelevent to the Fobot Tyler 9/30/05 1:35 p.m.

Re: Sleep is irrelevent to the Fobot Forrest of B.org 9/30/05 1:52 p.m.

Re: Sleep is irrelevent to the Fobot Forrest of B.org 9/30/05 1:53 p.m.

Re: Sleep is irrelevent to the Fobot Tyler 9/30/05 2:57 p.m.

Re: Sleep is irrelevent to the Fobot Forrest of B.org 9/30/05 10:11 p.m.

Re: Sleep is irrelevent to the Fobot Speaker-To-Animals 10/1/05 7:31 a.m.

Re: Sleep is irrelevent to the Fobot Blake37 10/1/05 9:35 a.m.

Re: Sleep is irrelevent to the Fobot Forrest of B.org 10/3/05 2:13 p.m.

stop goran 9/29/05 10:44 a.m.

I wouldn't see it as "preaching" MrHen 9/29/05 11:41 a.m.

Re: stop Forrest of B.org 9/29/05 2:40 p.m.

Re: stop Forrest of B.org 9/29/05 8:01 p.m.

Re: stop Bob-B-Q 9/29/05 3:24 p.m.

Re: stop RyokoTK 9/29/05 3:29 p.m.

Re: stop Forrest of B.org 9/29/05 7:49 p.m.

Re: stop goran 9/29/05 9:54 p.m.

Re: stop Forrest of B.org 9/29/05 10:24 p.m.

Re: stop goran 9/30/05 3:10 a.m.

Re: stop RyokoTK 9/30/05 4:07 a.m.

Re: stop goran 9/30/05 3:18 a.m.

FROG BLAST THE VENT CORE!!!!!!! *NM* ukimalefu 9/30/05 4:58 a.m.

Re: stop Forrest of B.org 9/30/05 6:25 a.m.

Steve's house goran 9/30/05 9:10 a.m.

Collaborative Conversation Forrest of B.org 9/30/05 12:37 p.m.

Re: Collaborative Conversation Forrest of B.org 9/30/05 1:32 p.m.

Unsolicted advice (this time without anecdots) goran 9/30/05 4:39 p.m.

Re: Collaborative Conversation goran 9/30/05 5:10 p.m.

Re: Collaborative Conversation D-M.A. 9/30/05 9:12 p.m.

Re: Collaborative Conversation Forrest of B.org 9/30/05 10:24 p.m.

Re: Collaborative Conversation goran 10/1/05 1:56 a.m.

Re: Collaborative Conversation goran 10/1/05 12:52 a.m.

Re: Collaborative Conversation D-M.A. 10/1/05 1:39 a.m.

Re: Collaborative Conversation D-M.A. 10/1/05 1:50 a.m.

Re: Collaborative Conversation goran 10/1/05 2:46 a.m.

Re: Collaborative Conversation goran 10/1/05 2:29 a.m.

Another note to self... Forrest of B.org 10/3/05 12:10 p.m.

Subjective vs Objective, Relative vs Absolute Forrest of B.org 10/3/05 1:12 p.m.

Applause! *NM* Blake37 10/3/05 1:42 p.m.

addition: beliefs and maps goran 10/3/05 3:22 p.m.

Re: addition: beliefs and maps D-M.A. 10/3/05 7:04 p.m.

Re: addition: beliefs and maps Forrest of B.org 10/3/05 7:07 p.m.

Re: addition: beliefs and maps goran 10/4/05 12:32 a.m.

MSF Story Hour Jacke 9/30/05 1:38 p.m.

Re: To all of you... me_43 10/1/05 2:37 a.m.

Re: To all of you... RyokoTK 10/1/05 4:00 a.m.

Re: To all of you... me_43 10/1/05 7:27 a.m.

Re: To all of you... Simon/team Sigma 10/1/05 12:17 p.m.

Re: To all of you... Steve Levinson 10/1/05 7:07 p.m.

Re: To all of you... C Lund 10/1/05 11:16 p.m.

Re: An objective opinion? Maybe. Blayne 9/29/05 7:40 a.m.

Re: ****To mapping community**** Adam Ashwell 9/29/05 12:08 p.m.

To me_43, Göran and anyone else who'll listen Steve Levinson 9/30/05 9:08 p.m.

Re: To me_43, Göran and anyone else who'll listen D-M.A. 9/30/05 9:22 p.m.

Re: To me_43, Göran and anyone else who'll listen Forrest of B.org 9/30/05 10:35 p.m.

Re: To me_43, Göran and anyone else who'll listen goran 10/1/05 12:28 a.m.

Re: To me_43, Göran and anyone else who'll listen me_43 10/1/05 2:45 a.m.

Re: Mapping community D-M.A. 9/29/05 10:42 a.m.

Re: Mapping community me_43 10/5/05 10:01 p.m.

Can't see shit. *omg downloads* Me_43 10/5/05 11:27 p.m.

Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died Reiginko 10/6/05 2:08 a.m.

Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died Forrest of B.org 10/6/05 6:51 a.m.

Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died goran 10/6/05 9:51 a.m.

Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died Forrest of B.org 10/6/05 2:16 p.m.

Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died me_43 10/7/05 2:06 a.m.

Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died goran 10/7/05 2:54 a.m.

Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died Nick Hoad 10/7/05 10:44 a.m.

Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died goran 10/7/05 11:14 a.m.

Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died Nick Hoad 10/7/05 1:54 p.m.

Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died me_43 10/8/05 12:54 a.m.

Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died me_43 10/8/05 12:55 a.m.

Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died goran 10/8/05 1:34 a.m.

Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died RyokoTK 10/7/05 3:12 a.m.

Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died me_43 10/8/05 12:55 a.m.

Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died RyokoTK 10/8/05 3:16 a.m.

Do you really think you can make better maps? RyokoTK 10/6/05 3:34 a.m.

Re: Do you really think you can make better maps? Simon/team Sigma 10/6/05 3:55 a.m.

Re: Mapping community goran 10/6/05 4:14 a.m.

[end thread] me_43 10/6/05 5:06 a.m.

Re: [end thread] D-M.A. 10/6/05 7:55 a.m.

Re: [end thread] Dave 10/7/05 9:08 p.m.

Re: [end thread] goran 10/8/05 1:32 a.m.

Re: [end thread] goran 10/8/05 2:06 a.m.

Re: [end thread] RyokoTK 10/8/05 3:16 a.m.

Re: Mapping community goran 10/6/05 4:53 a.m.

Re: Mapping community goran 10/6/05 11:55 a.m.

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: *Randomly downloads Pollution Reanimation Beta* : Okay, here I'm just going to write down what went through my head as I played : it. : ------------------ : Heh, lowercase folder names, and lots of them. No cool icons. -shrug- not : very important, but you should spend time polishing your work. : What the hell? The opening force-field causes horrible bouncing. Even after : it's dispelled you can still cause bouncing if you move in the right way. : Hidden terminal done perfectly, though. : What the hell is the deal with these spark things on the floor? They move in : a cool way... but that doesn't explain shit. : Matrix-wall is moderately cool. : "The bobs tell you" is all well and good but it's really not that : hard to hide the terminal or put a flashing "Press tab to speak" : overlay on there. : Lighting is passable, it doesn't behave like that in real life. : Geometry is very cool. Same for textures. : It's impossible to get to the health thingies regardless of how well you : shoot and run. **thumbs down** and on top of that the switch's darkness : means you can't tell whether you triggered it from a distance. Is this : intentional? : Narrow, BoB filled corridors? Trash! Never, never, never do this!! : Transparent liquid containers mildly cool. You can put a platform in there to : give the impression of tide, you know. Similarly, they don't have to be : all full and intact. : Woah! There's a bug in that place where you open the door by pressing the : switch next to it. I hope that's not intentional or anything... pressing : it managed to cause the whole area to go untextured (probably the player's : containing poly screwing up in one way or another) until the platform : reversed! I couldn't reproduce the effect, though. Odd, still. : -------------------- : Anyway. This map, at least, is exactly as I expected: Very cool, but NOT : pushing the boundaries of the engine. Seriously, are you fucking joking : me?! Have you SEEN Missed Island or even the Killing Time tutorials?!? : THOSE are pushing the bounds of the engine. : Maybe this is just a bad example of such a map, but it seems to me he is a : very very good, but in all honesty, unremarkable mapper (ie, great but : conventional maps). If it's a bad example, please tell me and point out : something more interesting. : Why don't I show you my trickiest creation. Evil grin. It was so satanic I : had to keep it in a locked cupboard for years, unfinished, so I'm going to : have to finish it off before I unleash it on the world (right now it's a : bit disjointed, there are too many areas linked by teleporters) and it : won't exactly be playable. Still, it's wild. : Shit! I never released MMN 4. Hell, I might as well do that, while I'm at it. : Gimme a few hours, k?

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Mapping community	goran	9/27/05 11:52 a.m.
Re: Mapping community	Blake37	9/27/05 12:11 p.m.
Re: Mapping community	Nick Hoad	9/27/05 1:30 p.m.
Re: Mapping community	Me_43	9/27/05 8:23 p.m.
Re: Mapping community	goran	9/28/05 12:38 a.m.
Re: Mapping community	RyokoTK	9/28/05 3:25 a.m.
Re: Mapping community	goran	9/28/05 5:23 a.m.
Re: Mapping community	Forrest of B.org	9/28/05 8:18 a.m.
Re: Mapping community	Nick Hoad	9/28/05 12:52 p.m.
Re: Mapping community	RyokoTK	9/28/05 5:23 p.m.
Re: Mapping community	ellio7t	9/30/05 9:15 a.m.
**To mapping community**	me_43	9/28/05 11:45 p.m.
Just be quiet, me_43. Seriously. NM	RyokoTK	9/29/05 3:39 a.m.
Re: Just be quiet, me_43. Seriously.	Simon/team Sigma	9/29/05 3:50 a.m.
Re: **To mapping community**	goran	9/29/05 4:02 a.m.
Can't we all just get along? NM	Bob-B-Q	9/29/05 4:47 a.m.
Re: Can't we all just get along?	Simon/team Sigma	9/29/05 5:11 a.m.
Consider the circumstances.	RyokoTK	9/29/05 12:38 p.m.
Re: Consider the circumstances.	me_43	10/4/05 3:19 a.m.
I'm with Bob-B-Q on this	Reiginko	9/29/05 5:33 a.m.
Re: I'm with Bob-B-Q on this	me_43	9/29/05 6:38 a.m.
To all of you...	Forrest of B.org	9/29/05 7:47 a.m.
Re: To all of you...	kyjel	9/29/05 9:11 a.m.
Re: To all of you...	Jacke	9/29/05 9:51 a.m.
Re: To all of you...	Forrest of B.org	9/29/05 8:06 p.m.
Re: To all of you...	goran	9/29/05 10:00 p.m.
Sleep is irrelevent to the Fobot	Tyler	9/30/05 1:35 p.m.
Re: Sleep is irrelevent to the Fobot	Forrest of B.org	9/30/05 1:52 p.m.
Re: Sleep is irrelevent to the Fobot	Forrest of B.org	9/30/05 1:53 p.m.
Re: Sleep is irrelevent to the Fobot	Tyler	9/30/05 2:57 p.m.
Re: Sleep is irrelevent to the Fobot	Forrest of B.org	9/30/05 10:11 p.m.
Re: Sleep is irrelevent to the Fobot	Speaker-To-Animals	10/1/05 7:31 a.m.
Re: Sleep is irrelevent to the Fobot	Blake37	10/1/05 9:35 a.m.
Re: Sleep is irrelevent to the Fobot	Forrest of B.org	10/3/05 2:13 p.m.
stop	goran	9/29/05 10:44 a.m.
I wouldn't see it as "preaching"	MrHen	9/29/05 11:41 a.m.
Re: stop	Forrest of B.org	9/29/05 2:40 p.m.
Re: stop	Forrest of B.org	9/29/05 8:01 p.m.
Re: stop	Bob-B-Q	9/29/05 3:24 p.m.
Re: stop	RyokoTK	9/29/05 3:29 p.m.
Re: stop	Forrest of B.org	9/29/05 7:49 p.m.
Re: stop	goran	9/29/05 9:54 p.m.
Re: stop	Forrest of B.org	9/29/05 10:24 p.m.
Re: stop	goran	9/30/05 3:10 a.m.
Re: stop	RyokoTK	9/30/05 4:07 a.m.
Re: stop	goran	9/30/05 3:18 a.m.
FROG BLAST THE VENT CORE!!!!!!! NM	ukimalefu	9/30/05 4:58 a.m.
Re: stop	Forrest of B.org	9/30/05 6:25 a.m.
Steve's house	goran	9/30/05 9:10 a.m.
Collaborative Conversation	Forrest of B.org	9/30/05 12:37 p.m.
Re: Collaborative Conversation	Forrest of B.org	9/30/05 1:32 p.m.
Unsolicted advice (this time without anecdots)	goran	9/30/05 4:39 p.m.
Re: Collaborative Conversation	goran	9/30/05 5:10 p.m.
Re: Collaborative Conversation	D-M.A.	9/30/05 9:12 p.m.
Re: Collaborative Conversation	Forrest of B.org	9/30/05 10:24 p.m.
Re: Collaborative Conversation	goran	10/1/05 1:56 a.m.
Re: Collaborative Conversation	goran	10/1/05 12:52 a.m.
Re: Collaborative Conversation	D-M.A.	10/1/05 1:39 a.m.
Re: Collaborative Conversation	D-M.A.	10/1/05 1:50 a.m.
Re: Collaborative Conversation	goran	10/1/05 2:46 a.m.
Re: Collaborative Conversation	goran	10/1/05 2:29 a.m.
Another note to self...	Forrest of B.org	10/3/05 12:10 p.m.
Subjective vs Objective, Relative vs Absolute	Forrest of B.org	10/3/05 1:12 p.m.
Applause! NM	Blake37	10/3/05 1:42 p.m.
addition: beliefs and maps	goran	10/3/05 3:22 p.m.
Re: addition: beliefs and maps	D-M.A.	10/3/05 7:04 p.m.
Re: addition: beliefs and maps	Forrest of B.org	10/3/05 7:07 p.m.
Re: addition: beliefs and maps	goran	10/4/05 12:32 a.m.
MSF Story Hour	Jacke	9/30/05 1:38 p.m.
Re: To all of you...	me_43	10/1/05 2:37 a.m.
Re: To all of you...	RyokoTK	10/1/05 4:00 a.m.
Re: To all of you...	me_43	10/1/05 7:27 a.m.
Re: To all of you...	Simon/team Sigma	10/1/05 12:17 p.m.
Re: To all of you...	Steve Levinson	10/1/05 7:07 p.m.
Re: To all of you...	C Lund	10/1/05 11:16 p.m.
Re: An objective opinion? Maybe.	Blayne	9/29/05 7:40 a.m.
Re: **To mapping community**	Adam Ashwell	9/29/05 12:08 p.m.
To me_43, Göran and anyone else who'll listen	Steve Levinson	9/30/05 9:08 p.m.
Re: To me_43, Göran and anyone else who'll listen	D-M.A.	9/30/05 9:22 p.m.
Re: To me_43, Göran and anyone else who'll listen	Forrest of B.org	9/30/05 10:35 p.m.
Re: To me_43, Göran and anyone else who'll listen	goran	10/1/05 12:28 a.m.
Re: To me_43, Göran and anyone else who'll listen	me_43	10/1/05 2:45 a.m.
Re: Mapping community	D-M.A.	9/29/05 10:42 a.m.
Re: Mapping community	me_43	10/5/05 10:01 p.m.
Can't see shit. omg downloads	Me_43	10/5/05 11:27 p.m.
Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died	Reiginko	10/6/05 2:08 a.m.
Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died	Forrest of B.org	10/6/05 6:51 a.m.
Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died	goran	10/6/05 9:51 a.m.
Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died	Forrest of B.org	10/6/05 2:16 p.m.
Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died	me_43	10/7/05 2:06 a.m.
Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died	goran	10/7/05 2:54 a.m.
Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died	Nick Hoad	10/7/05 10:44 a.m.
Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died	goran	10/7/05 11:14 a.m.
Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died	Nick Hoad	10/7/05 1:54 p.m.
Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died	me_43	10/8/05 12:54 a.m.
Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died	me_43	10/8/05 12:55 a.m.
Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died	goran	10/8/05 1:34 a.m.
Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died	RyokoTK	10/7/05 3:12 a.m.
Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died	me_43	10/8/05 12:55 a.m.
Re: Oh, man, and I thought this thread had died	RyokoTK	10/8/05 3:16 a.m.
Do you really think you can make better maps?	RyokoTK	10/6/05 3:34 a.m.
Re: Do you really think you can make better maps?	Simon/team Sigma	10/6/05 3:55 a.m.
Re: Mapping community	goran	10/6/05 4:14 a.m.
[end thread]	me_43	10/6/05 5:06 a.m.
Re: [end thread]	D-M.A.	10/6/05 7:55 a.m.
Re: [end thread]	Dave	10/7/05 9:08 p.m.
Re: [end thread]	goran	10/8/05 1:32 a.m.
Re: [end thread]	goran	10/8/05 2:06 a.m.
Re: [end thread]	RyokoTK	10/8/05 3:16 a.m.
Re: Mapping community	goran	10/6/05 4:53 a.m.
Re: Mapping community	goran	10/6/05 11:55 a.m.



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	Message: : Randomly downloads Pollution Reanimation Beta : Okay, here I'm just going to write down what went through my head as I played : it. : ------------------ : Heh, lowercase folder names, and lots of them. No cool icons. -shrug- not : very important, but you should spend time polishing your work. : What the hell? The opening force-field causes horrible bouncing. Even after : it's dispelled you can still cause bouncing if you move in the right way. : Hidden terminal done perfectly, though. : What the hell is the deal with these spark things on the floor? They move in : a cool way... but that doesn't explain shit. : Matrix-wall is moderately cool. : "The bobs tell you" is all well and good but it's really not that : hard to hide the terminal or put a flashing "Press tab to speak" : overlay on there. : Lighting is passable, it doesn't behave like that in real life. : Geometry is very cool. Same for textures. : It's impossible to get to the health thingies regardless of how well you : shoot and run. thumbs down and on top of that the switch's darkness : means you can't tell whether you triggered it from a distance. Is this : intentional? : Narrow, BoB filled corridors? Trash! Never, never, never do this!! : Transparent liquid containers mildly cool. You can put a platform in there to : give the impression of tide, you know. Similarly, they don't have to be : all full and intact. : Woah! There's a bug in that place where you open the door by pressing the : switch next to it. I hope that's not intentional or anything... pressing : it managed to cause the whole area to go untextured (probably the player's : containing poly screwing up in one way or another) until the platform : reversed! I couldn't reproduce the effect, though. Odd, still. : -------------------- : Anyway. This map, at least, is exactly as I expected: Very cool, but NOT : pushing the boundaries of the engine. Seriously, are you fucking joking : me?! Have you SEEN Missed Island or even the Killing Time tutorials?!? : THOSE are pushing the bounds of the engine. : Maybe this is just a bad example of such a map, but it seems to me he is a : very very good, but in all honesty, unremarkable mapper (ie, great but : conventional maps). If it's a bad example, please tell me and point out : something more interesting. : Why don't I show you my trickiest creation. Evil grin. It was so satanic I : had to keep it in a locked cupboard for years, unfinished, so I'm going to : have to finish it off before I unleash it on the world (right now it's a : bit disjointed, there are too many areas linked by teleporters) and it : won't exactly be playable. Still, it's wild. : Shit! I never released MMN 4. Hell, I might as well do that, while I'm at it. : Gimme a few hours, k?
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