Re: TI/EVIL on OS X and "Bridges & Balconies"


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Re: TI/EVIL on OS X and "Bridges & Balconies"

Posted By: Mark Levin Date: 4/27/04 7:35 a.m.
In Response To: TI/EVIL on OS X and "Bridges & Balconies" (rampancy)

I don't really know much about MML so I'll let Steve field that part.
: My other question is about something I read on source.bungie.org long ago
: that was called "Bridges and Balconies". Apparently it was so
: revolutionary that the Nardo Group was going to put it into an all-new
: version of TI for Aleph One. So what happened to it?
Bridges and Balconies was a fork (alternate version) of Aleph that supported some types of geometry that the normal engine did not- bridges and balconies and some truly 3D elements. It would have made map design a whole different ball game if it had taken off. However, it was a real bear to work with- you had to partially finish the map in Forge and then hand-code some MML to hook up the 3D elements. I never heard anything about scenario remakes based around it, and for some reason it was never moved back to the original Aleph code, probably because it touched so many aspects of the engine and was no longer compatible with the main branch when development stopped. The only scenario I'm aware of that really makes use of it was called Muerte Machine/Carlos on the Run, and it only runs on its included custom build of Aleph which is for Mac OS 9.
: Oh, and one more thing for Mark, Steve, and Dr. Sumner regarding RED: did you
: ever find the High Velocity Sub-Orbital Pissed Off Weasel?
No, but I suspect it replaces the skull if you make or find a RED netmap and play KTMWTB.

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TI/EVIL on OS X and "Bridges & Balconies" rampancy 4/27/04 7:14 a.m.

Re: TI/EVIL on OS X and "Bridges & Balconies" Mark Levin 4/27/04 7:35 a.m.

Bridges, Balconies, and Ramps Siphonopho 4/27/04 10:47 a.m.

Re: Bridges, Balconies, and Ramps Johannes Gunnar 4/27/04 12:31 p.m.

Re: Bridges, Balconies, and Ramps Speaker-To-Animals 4/27/04 12:59 p.m.

Re: Bridges, Balconies, and Ramps Mark Levin 4/27/04 2:45 p.m.

Re: Bridges, Balconies, and Ramps Steve Levinson 4/27/04 3:36 p.m.

Re: Bridges, Balconies, and Ramps durandalman1823 4/30/04 6:25 p.m.

Whither Marathon Aftermath? rampancy 4/27/04 2:09 p.m.

Re: Whither Marathon Aftermath? Johannes Gunnar 4/28/04 2:51 a.m.

Re: Whither Marathon Aftermath? Forrest of B.org 4/28/04 10:18 a.m.

Re: Whither Marathon Aftermath? Johannes Gunnar 4/28/04 10:31 a.m.

Re: Whither Marathon Aftermath? Elliott 4/28/04 1:47 p.m.

I can't be quiet about this anymore :P goran 4/28/04 2:13 p.m.

Re: I can't be quiet about this anymore :P Simon of team Sigma 4/28/04 3:25 p.m.

Re: I can't be quiet about this anymore :P Elliott 4/28/04 9:03 p.m.

Re: I can't be quiet about this anymore :P goran 4/28/04 9:51 p.m.

Re: I can't be quiet about this anymore :P Simon of team Sigma 4/29/04 1:59 p.m.

I'll give you my mind for a second goran 4/29/04 3:07 p.m.

Re: I'll give you my mind for a second Forrest of B.org 4/29/04 3:59 p.m.

Re: I'll give you my mind for a second Adam Ashwell 4/29/04 4:20 p.m.

Re: I'll give you my mind for a second Forrest of B.org 4/29/04 4:40 p.m.

Re: I'll give you my mind for a second Steve Levinson 4/29/04 4:27 p.m.

Re: I'll give you my mind for a second Elliott 4/29/04 8:45 p.m.

Re: I'll give you my mind for a second goran 4/29/04 11:24 p.m.

Re: I'll give you my mind for a second goran 4/29/04 11:27 p.m.

I agree with your point Goran - here's why Ernie 4/30/04 3:33 p.m.

Re: I agree with your point Goran - here's why Elliott 5/1/04 1:08 a.m.

Re: I'll give you my mind for a second Forrest of B.org 4/30/04 3:49 p.m.

Re: Bridges, Balconies, and Ramps �M 4/27/04 7:49 p.m.

Re: TI/EVIL on OS X and "Bridges & Balconies" Me!! /_43 4/28/04 11:26 p.m.

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: I don't really know much about MML so I'll let Steve field that part. : Bridges and Balconies was a fork (alternate version) of Aleph that supported : some types of geometry that the normal engine did not- bridges and : balconies and some truly 3D elements. It would have made map design a : whole different ball game if it had taken off. However, it was a real bear : to work with- you had to partially finish the map in Forge and then : hand-code some MML to hook up the 3D elements. I never heard anything : about scenario remakes based around it, and for some reason it was never : moved back to the original Aleph code, probably because it touched so many : aspects of the engine and was no longer compatible with the main branch : when development stopped. The only scenario I'm aware of that really makes : use of it was called Muerte Machine/Carlos on the Run, and it only runs on : its included custom build of Aleph which is for Mac OS 9. : No, but I suspect it replaces the skull if you make or find a RED netmap and : play KTMWTB.

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TI/EVIL on OS X and "Bridges & Balconies"	rampancy	4/27/04 7:14 a.m.
Re: TI/EVIL on OS X and "Bridges & Balconies"	Mark Levin	4/27/04 7:35 a.m.
Bridges, Balconies, and Ramps	Siphonopho	4/27/04 10:47 a.m.
Re: Bridges, Balconies, and Ramps	Johannes Gunnar	4/27/04 12:31 p.m.
Re: Bridges, Balconies, and Ramps	Speaker-To-Animals	4/27/04 12:59 p.m.
Re: Bridges, Balconies, and Ramps	Mark Levin	4/27/04 2:45 p.m.
Re: Bridges, Balconies, and Ramps	Steve Levinson	4/27/04 3:36 p.m.
Re: Bridges, Balconies, and Ramps	durandalman1823	4/30/04 6:25 p.m.
Whither Marathon Aftermath?	rampancy	4/27/04 2:09 p.m.
Re: Whither Marathon Aftermath?	Johannes Gunnar	4/28/04 2:51 a.m.
Re: Whither Marathon Aftermath?	Forrest of B.org	4/28/04 10:18 a.m.
Re: Whither Marathon Aftermath?	Johannes Gunnar	4/28/04 10:31 a.m.
Re: Whither Marathon Aftermath?	Elliott	4/28/04 1:47 p.m.
I can't be quiet about this anymore :P	goran	4/28/04 2:13 p.m.
Re: I can't be quiet about this anymore :P	Simon of team Sigma	4/28/04 3:25 p.m.
Re: I can't be quiet about this anymore :P	Elliott	4/28/04 9:03 p.m.
Re: I can't be quiet about this anymore :P	goran	4/28/04 9:51 p.m.
Re: I can't be quiet about this anymore :P	Simon of team Sigma	4/29/04 1:59 p.m.
I'll give you my mind for a second	goran	4/29/04 3:07 p.m.
Re: I'll give you my mind for a second	Forrest of B.org	4/29/04 3:59 p.m.
Re: I'll give you my mind for a second	Adam Ashwell	4/29/04 4:20 p.m.
Re: I'll give you my mind for a second	Forrest of B.org	4/29/04 4:40 p.m.
Re: I'll give you my mind for a second	Steve Levinson	4/29/04 4:27 p.m.
Re: I'll give you my mind for a second	Elliott	4/29/04 8:45 p.m.
Re: I'll give you my mind for a second	goran	4/29/04 11:24 p.m.
Re: I'll give you my mind for a second	goran	4/29/04 11:27 p.m.
I agree with your point Goran - here's why	Ernie	4/30/04 3:33 p.m.
Re: I agree with your point Goran - here's why	Elliott	5/1/04 1:08 a.m.
Re: I'll give you my mind for a second	Forrest of B.org	4/30/04 3:49 p.m.
Re: Bridges, Balconies, and Ramps	�M	4/27/04 7:49 p.m.
Re: TI/EVIL on OS X and "Bridges & Balconies"	Me!! /_43	4/28/04 11:26 p.m.



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	Message: : I don't really know much about MML so I'll let Steve field that part. : Bridges and Balconies was a fork (alternate version) of Aleph that supported : some types of geometry that the normal engine did not- bridges and : balconies and some truly 3D elements. It would have made map design a : whole different ball game if it had taken off. However, it was a real bear : to work with- you had to partially finish the map in Forge and then : hand-code some MML to hook up the 3D elements. I never heard anything : about scenario remakes based around it, and for some reason it was never : moved back to the original Aleph code, probably because it touched so many : aspects of the engine and was no longer compatible with the main branch : when development stopped. The only scenario I'm aware of that really makes : use of it was called Muerte Machine/Carlos on the Run, and it only runs on : its included custom build of Aleph which is for Mac OS 9. : No, but I suspect it replaces the skull if you make or find a RED netmap and : play KTMWTB.
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