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Posted By: Forrest of B.org Date: 4/7/04 10:41 a.m.
In Response To: Re: help me out...to read this (Steve Levinson)

: The universe is inherently neutral - good and bad are human concepts.
I agree. However, they are quite clearly definable concepts, which can then be attributed to other concepts - knowledge, balance, variety.
: Humankind has spread throughout the Earth and destroyed much of the
: original natural habitat. In the 19th century, this was considered good -
: we were taming nature. But in the process we have destroyed a majority of
: the world's species and left pollution and destruction in our wake. Is
: humanity inherently good or evil?
Neither.
: What about Ghandi? What about Hitler?
: And what about Einstein - the man responsible for changing the way we look
: at everything, but who is also responsible for the atom bomb?
People, races, things etc, are neither inherantly good or evil, though at a given time they may be causing, aggregate or on average, one or the other. I would only ascribe good and evil to processes and to states of being.
: And what
: about the cosmoligical constant itself? Too big and atoms would have never
: formed in the first place, too small and the universe would have collapsed
: back upon itself in its first few moments.
Exactly, which is why a proper balance is more good, and extremes bad. Even in your use of the words "too" you are acknowledging that the extremes are bad, as "too" in this context implies "beyond the desired range".
I'll post my whole thing on the agnostic basis of morality (which is also a paper on the nature of knowledge, amongst other things - and combined with a few other works I'm creating will eventually become a large philosophical work, probably to be made a hyper-essay to be published on the web).
: No, balance is not natural. Life and humanity sit on top of a fulcrum, ready
: to topple to entropy on one side as the sun burns its fuel and to entropy
: on the other as we create the means of our own destruction.
Balance is natural. All natural systems tend to balance themselves out, and those that don't are destroyed. Unfortunately it looks like the universe itself may be inherantly unbalanced if there is no universal counterprocess to entropy, and if that is so then unfortunately the universe itself is inevitably doomed.
: Thoth - we need you!
You rang?

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: I agree. However, they are quite clearly definable concepts, which can then : be attributed to other concepts - knowledge, balance, variety. : Neither. : People, races, things etc, are neither inherantly good or evil, though at a : given time they may be causing, aggregate or on average, one or the other. : I would only ascribe good and evil to processes and to states of being. : Exactly, which is why a proper balance is more good, and extremes bad. Even : in your use of the words "too" you are acknowledging that the : extremes are bad, as "too" in this context implies "beyond : the desired range". : I'll post my whole thing on the agnostic basis of morality (which is also a : paper on the nature of knowledge, amongst other things - and combined with : a few other works I'm creating will eventually become a large : philosophical work, probably to be made a hyper-essay to be published on : the web). : Balance is natural. All natural systems tend to balance themselves out, and : those that don't are destroyed. Unfortunately it looks like the universe : itself may be inherantly unbalanced if there is no universal : counterprocess to entropy, and if that is so then unfortunately the : universe itself is inevitably doomed. : You rang?

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help me out...to read this	goran	4/4/04 3:04 p.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	Yossarian	4/4/04 6:30 p.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	ukimalefu	4/4/04 8:33 p.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	goran	4/5/04 12:01 a.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	Steve Levinson	4/5/04 6:46 p.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	goran	4/6/04 5:16 a.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	Steve Levinson	4/6/04 6:54 a.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	Johannes Gunnar	4/6/04 7:42 a.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	goran	4/6/04 9:08 a.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	Steve Levinson	4/6/04 10:21 a.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	Yossarian	4/6/04 11:51 a.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	goran	4/6/04 2:19 p.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	Steve Levinson	4/6/04 9:41 a.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	goran	4/6/04 9:14 a.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	Steve Levinson	4/6/04 10:36 a.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	Yossarian	4/6/04 11:40 a.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	Forrest of B.org	4/6/04 5:03 p.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	Yossarian	4/6/04 6:13 p.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	Forrest of B.org	4/7/04 7:04 a.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	Steve Levinson	4/7/04 8:34 a.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	Forrest of B.org	4/7/04 10:41 a.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	Forrest of B.org	4/7/04 10:41 a.m.
Appologies for the double-posts...	Forrest of B.org	4/7/04 10:42 a.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	Steve Levinson	4/7/04 11:36 a.m.
Fobo's "Philosophy..." (part 1 rough draft)	Forrest of B.org	4/10/04 12:09 p.m.
Yikes!!! NM	ukimalefu	4/10/04 4:21 p.m.
I'll wait for Cliff's Notes NM	Siphonopho	4/10/04 7:34 p.m.
Re: Fobo's "Philosophy..." (part 1 rough draft)	Yossarian	4/10/04 7:51 p.m.
Re: Fobo's "Philosophy..." (part 1 rough draft)	Forrest of B.org	4/10/04 10:27 p.m.
Re: Fobo's "Philosophy..." (part 1 rough draft)	Yossarian	4/11/04 2:55 p.m.
Re: Fobo's "Philosophy..." (part 1 rough draft)	Forrest of B.org	4/12/04 8:13 a.m.
Re: Fobo's "Philosophy..." (part 1 rough draft)	Yossarian	4/12/04 4:41 p.m.
Re: Fobo's "Philosophy..." (part 1 rough draft)	Elliott	4/11/04 5:24 p.m.
Re: Fobo's "Philosophy..." (part 1 rough draft)	Yossarian	4/11/04 7:04 p.m.
Re: Fobo's "Philosophy..." (part 1 rough draft)	Elliott	4/11/04 10:25 p.m.
Re: Fobo's "Philosophy..." (part 1 rough draft)	Lt Devon	4/10/04 9:55 p.m.
INRTLB :-P NM	ukimalefu	4/11/04 12:56 p.m.
You have a lot of mental energy.	K-chi	4/11/04 1:19 p.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	goran	4/5/04 12:32 a.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	ukimalefu	4/5/04 5:10 p.m.
THE MATRIX HAS YOU!	ukimalefu	4/6/04 11:18 a.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	Vid Boi	4/6/04 2:04 p.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	Johannes Gunnar	4/6/04 3:14 p.m.
Re: help me out...to read this	Adam Ashwell	4/6/04 4:19 p.m.
Army of Darkness NM	Yossarian	4/6/04 4:30 p.m.
But originally from The Day the Earth Stood Still NM	the Battle Cat	4/7/04 6:37 a.m.
One of the greatest Sci-Fi movies of all time NM	Steve Levinson	4/7/04 8:22 a.m.
Myth II: Soulblighter. The Deceiver. [no message] NM	Andrew Nagy	4/7/04 5:14 p.m.



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