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Re: Cortana Letter *SP*
Posted By: scarabDate: 11/19/07 7:37 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Cortana Letter *SP* (Narcogen)


: There are still a lot of logistical nightmares to work out, I think, before
: one reaches a reasonable explanation that integrates this theory into all
: the other things we know about the Haloverse.

It was something I thought about when we thought that Truth knew a lot more than it turns out he did. (Sneaky Truth)

: For instance-- if humanity became a spacefaring society, established
: colonies, lost contact with them, and each individual colony was indexed
: and reseeded separately, and the reseeding process essentially deleted
: each individual colony's collective memory of their origins, then this
: would jibe with your suggestion.

: However, there are some problems with that. According to the comic, when the
: Librarian reaches Earth and the Sentinels are building the portal,
: humanity is primitive and the Array has never been activated (at least not
: within the living memory of the Monitors, and none is mentioned by the
: Forerunners). The firing of the array, then, does not explain the loss of
: contact with previous spacefaring colonies, or explain the discovery and
: subsequent loss of such technologies. Another cataclysmic event would have
: to explain that, and this is an issue upon which the backstory is silent.

These thoughts were prior to the release of Halo 3. I was just talking about the early history of my thoughts on that snippet from the Cortana letters.

: In fact, it's probably more meaningful if the relationship was chosen rather
: than merely discovered, and keeping all the elements of the story straight
: is much easier as well.

But you now have to explain why were picked. What did they see in us, 100,000 years ago?

Did they think we were particularly brave? Braver or more ferocious than an Elite?

Good looking? Did our legs bend the right way?

Did they like our cave art?

What tech aptitude did we show? A talent for higher mathematics? How did we show that?

What relevant qualifications did we have for the position?

Did we have a high level of midichlorians?

Can a Luminary detect a species' Forerruner potential?

: Everything hinges on the idea that humanity was special to the Forerunners
: because they might help reveal some of "their own mysteries". In
: other words, the Forerunners ascribed some importance and interest to
: humanity in a self-referential way.

: So let me ask you, as an individual human: are the only individuals that
: matter in your life, that reveal something to you about yourself, related
: to you by blood? Perhaps some of them are. Maybe even most. But all? Is
: this the most meaningful, or the only meaningful relationship we can
: imagine between the Forerunners and humanity?

The Covenant appear to have art, religion, and science. What's left?

How long do you have to study an alien culture to work out what its character is? How much time did the Librarian have to spot our potential, to be so impressed?

If we are of the same race then the recognition is immediate.

The Forerunners had a small window of time to decide that we were worthy of the mantle. They wouldn't have made that decision lightly. And they must have known lots of other races.

Was its soley the Librarian's decision? How many Forerunner experts studied us?

Its a no-brainer if we are related.

: To me, it's actually a depressing concept. It's a Tarzan story. You start out
: with nothing, in dangerous and unfamiliar world, and you work your way up
: to the top of the food chain by being clever and brave. Then it turns out
: that you don't belong in the jungle after all, that your kind is off
: somewhere else having tea and crumpets on white tablecloths and yet still,
: somehow, inexplicably on the top of the foodchain.

: Likewise, the idea of a humanity that emerges from its cradle to find older,
: more advanced socieities and the things they left behind (Forerunners,
: Precursors) as well as contemporaries with dangerous agendas (Covenant)
: and a galaxy-spanning hegemenous swarm (the Flood) and has to fight for
: its survival

You have the above and the below, all in one story.

: is a more interesting story than the idea of humanity that
: already did all of that, ruled the galaxy, blew themselves back to the
: stone age and then has to do it all over again, seemingly without having
: learned a damn thing in the process.

Maybe we are trapped in a cycle, today's hero/solution becomes tommorrows villan/problem.

Are we doomed to repeat our history because we don't know it?

The librarian thought that the Forerunner were part of the problem. He may have thought that we would do better. But isn't that just wishful thinking? Isn't the mantle itself the problem? Are we getting a poisoned chalice? What do you know of the human race that would make us a good candidate for running the galaxy? :-)


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Humanity-Forerunner Stuff, *CH Spoilers*yakaman 11/12/07 6:53 p.m.
     Re: Humanity-Forerunner Stuff, *CH Spoilers*elpolloguapo 11/12/07 7:41 p.m.
           Re: Humanity-Forerunner Stuff, *CH Spoilers*yakaman 11/13/07 10:19 a.m.
                 Re: Humanity-Forerunner Stuff, *CH Spoilers*Dundradal 11/13/07 10:28 a.m.
                 Re: Humanity-Forerunner Stuff, *CH Spoilers*elpolloguapo 11/13/07 3:28 p.m.
                       Re: Humanity-Forerunner Stuff, *CH Spoilers*scarab 11/14/07 2:16 a.m.
                             You missed his point, I thinkyakaman 11/14/07 9:06 a.m.
                                   Re: You missed his point, I thinkAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/14/07 9:50 a.m.
                                         Re: You missed his point, I thinkyakaman 11/14/07 12:48 p.m.
                                         You're not going to like it *SP*scarab 11/14/07 2:23 p.m.
                                               Re: You're not going to like it *SP*scarab 11/14/07 2:46 p.m.
                                                     Re: You're not going to like it *SP*Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/14/07 3:20 p.m.
                                                           Re: You're not going to like it *SP*scarab 11/14/07 6:06 p.m.
                                                                 Re: You're not going to like it *SP*elpolloguapo 11/14/07 6:14 p.m.
                                                                       Re: You're not going to like it *SP*scarab 11/14/07 7:31 p.m.
                                                                             This is my point, exactly.yakaman 11/15/07 4:00 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: This is my point, exactly. *CH* *SP*scarab 11/15/07 5:11 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: This is my point, exactly. *CH* *SP*elpolloguapo 11/15/07 6:12 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: This is my point, exactly. *CH* *SP*scarab 11/16/07 7:46 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: This is my point, exactly. *CH* *SP*Louis Wu 11/16/07 9:55 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: This is my point, exactly. *CH* *SP*scarab 11/16/07 2:19 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Willfully obtuse?yakaman 11/16/07 5:08 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Wait a second....yakaman 11/16/07 5:18 p.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: Wait a second....elpolloguapo 11/16/07 5:50 p.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: Wait a second....scarab 11/16/07 5:52 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Willfully obtuse?elpolloguapo 11/16/07 5:48 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Willfully obtuse?scarab 11/16/07 5:49 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: This is my point, exactly. *CH* *SP*Louis Wu 11/16/07 9:15 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: This is my point, exactly. *CH* *SP*scarab 11/17/07 6:13 a.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: This is my point, exactly. *CH* *SP*Louis Wu 11/17/07 6:20 a.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: This is my point, exactly. *CH* *SP*scarab 11/17/07 1:23 p.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: This is my point, exactly. *CH* *SP*Louis Wu 11/17/07 4:06 p.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: This is my point, exactly. *CH* *SP*elpolloguapo 11/17/07 12:06 p.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: This is my point, exactly. *CH* *SP*scarab 11/17/07 1:25 p.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: This is my point, exactly. *CH* *SP*elpolloguapo 11/17/07 1:30 p.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: This is my point, exactly. *CH* *SP*elpolloguapo 11/17/07 12:08 p.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: This is my point, exactly. *CH* *SP*scarab 11/17/07 2:00 p.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: This is my point, exactly. *CH* *SP*elpolloguapo 11/17/07 2:10 p.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: This is my point, exactly. *CH* *SP*scarab 11/17/07 3:37 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                     Re: This is my point, exactly. *CH* *SP*Cthulhu117 11/17/07 6:17 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                           Re: This is my point, exactly. *CH* *SP*scarab 11/18/07 5:55 a.m.
                                                                                                                                                     Re: This is my point, exactly. *CH* *SP*elpolloguapo 11/17/07 6:30 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Cortana LetterNarcogen 11/16/07 9:18 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Cortana Letterscarab 11/17/07 3:10 p.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: Cortana Letter *SP*Narcogen 11/18/07 6:15 a.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: Cortana Letter *SP*elpolloguapo 11/18/07 6:56 p.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: Cortana Letter *SP*scarab 11/19/07 7:37 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: This is my point, exactly.elpolloguapo 11/15/07 6:06 p.m.
                                                     Re: You're not going to like it *SP*elpolloguapo 11/14/07 3:40 p.m.
                                                           Re: You're not going to like it *CH* *SP*scarab 11/14/07 7:05 p.m.
                                                                 Re: You're not going to like it *CH* *SP*elpolloguapo 11/14/07 8:28 p.m.
                                                                       Re: You're not going to like it *CH* *SP*scarab 11/15/07 8:34 a.m.
                                                                             Re: You're not going to like it *CH* *SP*elpolloguapo 11/15/07 3:11 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: You're not going to like it *CH* *SP*scarab 11/15/07 4:35 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: You're not going to like it *CH* *SP*elpolloguapo 11/15/07 6:25 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: You're not going to like it *CH* *SP*scarab 11/16/07 8:30 a.m.
                                                           Re: You're not going to like it *SP*Roflsalad 11/18/07 11:20 p.m.
     Re: Humanity-Forerunner Stuff, *CH Spoilers*Orpheus 11/12/07 7:48 p.m.
           Re: Humanity-Forerunner Stuff, *CH Spoilers*elpolloguapo 11/12/07 7:51 p.m.
                 Re: Humanity-Forerunner Stuff, *CH Spoilers*Orpheus 11/12/07 8:09 p.m.
                       Re: Humanity-Forerunner Stuff, *CH Spoilers*elpolloguapo 11/12/07 8:16 p.m.
           Re: Humanity-Forerunner Stuff, *CH Spoilers*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/12/07 9:25 p.m.
                 Re: Humanity-Forerunner Stuff, *CH Spoilers*Dundradal 11/12/07 9:32 p.m.
                 Exactly.Cthulhu117 11/14/07 6:44 p.m.
                       Re: Exactly.elpolloguapo 11/14/07 6:53 p.m.
                             Re: Exactly.Dundradal 11/15/07 9:18 a.m.
                                   Re: Exactly.Cthulhu117 11/15/07 4:53 p.m.



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