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Re: my last post on the subject (long)
Posted By: Louis Wu <halo@bungie.org>Date: 12/15/02 9:40 p.m.

In Response To: my last post on the subject (long) (kapowaz)

: I admit I'd not tried any of the options out before people started firing
: back at me, but this was because the page for customising them is simply
: so unintuitive. Tell me you can read the list of forum styles and really
: know what they're going to look like before you try them? The descriptions
: do help, but the problem is exacerbated by the fact that there are
: features in some (showing the content of a message, only showing initial
: posting etc.) that would be very useful if you could combine them, but
: they're not combined - the choices are predetermined. Having tried them
: out though I can see that they are all far less space-conscious than the
: existing layout (in my view). But just because X is better than Y doesn't
: make X great...

: Well, I flick to page 48 of Jakob Nielsen's Designing Web Usability. He
: refers to the "ten second response time" which is necessary to
: keep a visitor's attention before they give up and go elsewhere. On a
: modem, that works out at 34Kb. Well under 40Kb, and yes that doesn't
: include images. A study cited places the bail-out rate at 25-30% for 40Kb
: files, meaning 25-20% of users won't wait for a 40Kb page to load. Of
: course that figure would be different for people who come here regularly
: and know what to expect, but what about new users? I'm on broadband, but
: would I have waited for 180Kb of html to load on a modem? Like hell I
: would! The book in question was published in December 1999, so of course
: many more people have broadband connections, but the same study puts the
: broadband 10 second limit at 150Kb...

Nielson's main targets are BUSINESSES, trying to reach customers. (Yes, his info is applicable to ALL websites - but many studies have shown that people's browsing habits when they're pursuing a hobby (like Halo) and their habits when they're looking for a widget to buy are VASTLY different.

Again - I'd ask you to show me a gaming site with sub-40k pages.

[snip]

: But since I've said a lot about this, I intend to put these musings to good
: use; I'm starting a new forum system from scratch, since I've just read a
: critique of phpBB2 that puts me off using it myself. I'll be sure to
: mention it when I've got something to show, so that you can all tell me
: just how much you hate it... ;)

If it's threaded, and customizable, I'm not going to tell you I hate it... I might even use it. :)

I've looked, over and over, for a database-driven threaded forum (Phorum looked good for a little bit, but was never able to import old posts from this board, despite a converter tool) - we'll stick with this until something better comes along. :)

I know there are people who won't visit because they hate this board. While on one hand this is a disappointment, on the other it's a self-filtering technique; you have to WANT to be here. :) (I'm not sure I'd be happy if our traffic doubled - I have enough trouble keeping up with it (and paying for it) as it is.)


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Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Sephlock 12/15/02 12:42 p.m.
     Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!kapowaz 12/15/02 12:56 p.m.
           Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Sephlock 12/15/02 12:56 p.m.
                 Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Count Zero 12/15/02 1:11 p.m.
                       Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Sephlock 12/15/02 1:13 p.m.
                             Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!oddworld18 12/15/02 1:16 p.m.
                                   the great forum style debate *ahem*kapowaz 12/15/02 1:21 p.m.
                             Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Count Zero 12/15/02 2:29 p.m.
                       Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!kapowaz 12/15/02 1:18 p.m.
                             Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Mutti 12/15/02 2:11 p.m.
                                   Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!kapowaz 12/15/02 2:15 p.m.
                                         Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Louis Wu 12/15/02 9:00 p.m.
                             Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Louis Wu 12/15/02 8:52 p.m.
                                   my last post on the subject (long)kapowaz 12/15/02 9:22 p.m.
                                         Re: my last post on the subject (long)Louis Wu 12/15/02 9:40 p.m.
                                         Re: my last post on the subject (long)vector40 12/15/02 10:25 p.m.
                                         Re: my last post on the subject (long)Sephlock 12/16/02 6:15 a.m.
           Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Lion 12/15/02 3:31 p.m.
                 Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!kapowaz 12/15/02 4:47 p.m.
                       Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Lion 12/15/02 5:14 p.m.
                             Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!kapowaz 12/15/02 5:51 p.m.
                                   Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Louis Wu 12/15/02 9:03 p.m.
                                         Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!kapowaz 12/15/02 9:37 p.m.
                                         Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!vector40 12/15/02 10:27 p.m.
     Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Lion 12/15/02 2:05 p.m.
           Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Sephlock 12/16/02 6:21 a.m.
     Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!mnemesis 12/15/02 2:56 p.m.
     Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Nick 12/15/02 5:04 p.m.
           Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Nick 12/15/02 5:09 p.m.
                 Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!kapowaz 12/15/02 5:56 p.m.
                       Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!oddworld18 12/15/02 6:21 p.m.
                             Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Nick 12/15/02 6:22 p.m.
                       Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Nick 12/15/02 6:21 p.m.
                             Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!kapowaz 12/15/02 6:26 p.m.
                                   Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Sep7imus 12/15/02 7:18 p.m.
                                         Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!kapowaz 12/15/02 8:11 p.m.
                                               Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Red Loser 12/15/02 9:01 p.m.
                                                     Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Sephlock 12/16/02 6:29 a.m.
                                               Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Louis Wu 12/15/02 9:15 p.m.
                                                     Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!kapowaz 12/15/02 9:30 p.m.
                                                           Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!vector40 12/15/02 10:37 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!vector40 12/15/02 10:42 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!kapowaz 12/15/02 11:08 p.m.
                 Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Louis Wu 12/15/02 9:06 p.m.
                       Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Nick 12/15/02 9:29 p.m.
                             Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!oddworld18 12/15/02 10:20 p.m.
                                   Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Louis Wu 12/15/02 10:43 p.m.
                                         Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Nick 12/15/02 10:48 p.m.
                                               Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Louis Wu 12/15/02 11:04 p.m.
                                                     Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Nick 12/15/02 11:35 p.m.
                       Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Sephlock 12/16/02 6:32 a.m.
     Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Wraith7n 12/15/02 8:56 p.m.
           Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Sephlock 12/16/02 6:25 a.m.
                 Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Sep7imus 12/16/02 8:12 a.m.
                       Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!Louis Wu 12/16/02 9:04 a.m.
                             Re: Louis! Mnemesis! Anyone with power!kapowaz 12/16/02 11:03 a.m.
                                   *Hint*Nick 12/16/02 3:01 p.m.
                                         Re: *Hint*kapowaz 12/16/02 3:27 p.m.
                                               Re: *Hint*Nick 12/16/02 4:46 p.m.
                                                     Re: *Hint*kapowaz 12/16/02 5:34 p.m.
                                                           Re: *Hint*Nick 12/16/02 6:53 p.m.
     DieDjof 12/16/02 12:04 p.m.
           wave the flagAndrew Nagy 12/16/02 1:02 p.m.
     This is one of the longest threads I've seen here! *NM*Nick 12/16/02 4:45 p.m.



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