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Player Investment Systems aren't bad...
Posted By: RC MasterDate: 10/30/12 8:24 p.m.

In Response To: Re: not informed properly enough for that rant (Cody Miller)


It's all about execution.

What is the core aim of aforementioned systems?

To connect the disparate elements, individuals games and systems into a broader overarching narrative. One that gives you goals and feedback, and reasons to fulfil them. The idea being that while chasing after a goal it is easier to enjoy yourself than if you're just after 'more fun.' That once novelty wears off, a lot of players (a lot of people) are not good at figuring out goals for themself to further the enjoyment. And even if they are, if the pressure is coming only internally, they seem not as important or worthy, or difficult to quantify.

Basic flow theory. With a bit of personal experience.

FACT:
Halo 1 had a player investment system.

Sure, no-one used that nomenclature back then, but those little difficulty badges under the level names? They connected your entire campaign experience into the broader narrative of: "I want to get good enough to have all 3 badges on every mission." Bam. Investment. If you never did, there was a gratuitous gaping hole forever on your level-select screen. If you lost your profile, you would be pissed because the record of your achievement, the proof of your achievements, was gone. You would always have the skills you acquired along the way, but repeating it never had the same flare because it was something you felt you had already earned, a goal you had already completed, and you were just reclaiming what was rightfully yours.

The RPG-esque XP-base leveling-style investment systems with which we now associate 'player investment' have risen to prevalence because they are easy conceptually and easy in implementation. They provide goals, feedback, they're official, and they give you rewards. Connecting all of your multiplayer matches together into an overarching narrative.

But that does NOT make them objectively good. That does not mean there are not BETTER systems you could implement.

That does NOT make hiding weapon and perk choices behind arbitrary mile-stones overall good for the game. Sure, it paces out the discovery and learning of new weapons so players don't feel overwhelmed. Thanks for the thought 343i, but I'm no newbie here. I can learn the weapons as they're paced in campaign, and I can deal with the perk choice - in fact I already know the ones I think will be most beneficial.

Everything else? Don't think I've changed that much in 2 years.

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Specializations: What's In It For Me?*rant*Morpheus 10/30/12 5:19 p.m.
     Re: Specializations: What's In It For Me?*rant*Chewbaccawakka 10/30/12 5:32 p.m.
     Re: Specializations: What's In It For Me?*rant*Echoes 10/30/12 5:39 p.m.
           not informed properly enough for that rantnillapuddin 10/30/12 5:47 p.m.
                 Re: not informed properly enough for that rantMorpheus 10/30/12 5:58 p.m.
                 Re: not informed properly enough for that rantCody Miller 10/30/12 6:10 p.m.
                       NO NO NO NO NO NO NOnillapuddin 10/30/12 6:19 p.m.
                             Re: NO NO NO NO NO NO NOCody Miller 10/30/12 6:22 p.m.
                                   Re: NO NO NO NO NO NO NOnillapuddin 10/30/12 6:29 p.m.
                                         Re: NO NO NO NO NO NO NOuberfoop 10/30/12 6:42 p.m.
                                               Re: NO NO NO NO NO NO NOCody Miller 10/30/12 6:47 p.m.
                                                     player investment system = the devil.nillapuddin 10/30/12 7:01 p.m.
                                                           Re: player investment system = the devil.DEEP NNN 10/30/12 7:36 p.m.
                                                           Stand Fast nilla!!!Bryan Newman 10/30/12 7:39 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Stand Fast nilla!!!uberfoop 10/30/12 7:42 p.m.
                                                                 why bothernillapuddin 10/30/12 7:45 p.m.
                                                                       Another addition to the top 10NartFOpc 10/30/12 7:58 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Stand Fast nilla!!!Avateur 10/30/12 10:44 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Stand Fast nilla!!!Ragashingo 10/30/12 11:41 p.m.
                                                           Re: player investment system = the devil.Avateur 10/30/12 10:42 p.m.
                                         Re: NO NO NO NO NO NO NOSIX min WHISTLE 10/30/12 7:03 p.m.
                                               Re: NO NO NO NO NO NO NOApollo 10/30/12 7:08 p.m.
                                                     Re: NO NO NO NO NO NO NONotTheVacuum 10/30/12 7:11 p.m.
                                                           Re: NO NO NO NO NO NO NOuberfoop 10/30/12 7:17 p.m.
                                               Re: NO NO NO NO NO NO NOCasimir 10/31/12 8:49 a.m.
                                                     Re: NO NO NO NO NO NO NONotTheVacuum 10/31/12 9:33 a.m.
                                                           Re: NO NO NO NO NO NO NOCasimir 10/31/12 12:37 p.m.
                                                                 Re: NO NO NO NO NO NO NOuberfoop 10/31/12 12:43 p.m.
                                                     Re: NO NO NO NO NO NO NOKalamari 10/31/12 11:42 a.m.
                                         Re: NO NO NO NO NO NO NOkapowaz 10/31/12 7:37 a.m.
                             Re: NO NO NO NO NO NO NOCody Miller 10/30/12 6:28 p.m.
                       Re: not informed properly enough for that rantDEEP NNN 10/30/12 6:33 p.m.
                       Re: not informed properly enough for that rantNotTheVacuum 10/30/12 6:43 p.m.
                             Re: not informed properly enough for that rantuberfoop 10/30/12 6:47 p.m.
                                   Re: not informed properly enough for that rantNotTheVacuum 10/30/12 6:52 p.m.
                                         Re: not informed properly enough for that rantuberfoop 10/30/12 6:58 p.m.
                                               Quite frankly...INSANEdrive 10/30/12 7:28 p.m.
                                         Re: not informed properly enough for that rantGravemind 10/30/12 7:45 p.m.
                                               Re: not informed properly enough for that rantNotTheVacuum 10/30/12 8:19 p.m.
                                                     Bleh, linguistics and all that jazz. *NM*uberfoop 10/30/12 9:51 p.m.
                                                           Re: Bleh, linguistics and all that jazz.Gravemind 10/31/12 2:10 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Bleh, linguistics and all that jazz.NotTheVacuum 10/31/12 2:36 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Bleh, linguistics and all that jazz.Cody Miller 10/31/12 3:31 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Bleh, linguistics and all that jazz.NotTheVacuum 10/31/12 3:33 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Bleh, linguistics and all that jazz.Cody Miller 10/31/12 3:36 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Bleh, linguistics and all that jazz.NotTheVacuum 10/31/12 3:42 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Bleh, linguistics and all that jazz.bluerunner 10/31/12 4:08 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Bleh, linguistics and all that jazz.SonofMacPhisto 10/31/12 4:31 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Bleh, linguistics and all that jazz.NotTheVacuum 10/31/12 6:43 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Bleh, linguistics and all that jazz.bluerunner 10/31/12 6:48 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Bleh, linguistics and all that jazz.NotTheVacuum 10/31/12 7:02 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Bleh, linguistics and all that jazz.uberfoop 10/31/12 6:58 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Bleh, linguistics and all that jazz.Ragashingo 10/31/12 3:37 p.m.
                       Player Investment Systems aren't bad...RC Master 10/30/12 8:24 p.m.
                             I'd rather not put myself in a skinner box.hunt3r 10/30/12 8:39 p.m.
                                   You're already in oneRC Master 10/30/12 8:47 p.m.
                                         Re: You're already in oneNotTheVacuum 10/30/12 9:03 p.m.
                                         Re: You're already in oneHoovaloov 10/30/12 10:32 p.m.
     Re: Specializations: What's In It For Me?*rant*DHalo 10/30/12 11:53 p.m.
           THANK You, DH.Morpheus 10/31/12 10:57 a.m.
                 Re: THANK You, DH.JDQuackers 10/31/12 11:01 a.m.
                       Re: THANK You, DH.Morpheus 10/31/12 11:07 a.m.
                 Re: THANK You, DH.bluerunner 10/31/12 11:05 a.m.



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