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Re: A view from those asshole Hardcore gamers
Posted By: SonofMacPhisto <sethjewett@gmail.com>	Date: 4/18/10 6:03 p.m.
In Response To: Re: A view from those asshole Hardcore gamers (Hawaiian Pig) : Movies aren't art. While they use elements of existing art forms to provide : an experience, movies themselves are just flashing pictures. Without 2D : art, 3D/CG art, costume design, performance art, music, and all of the : other art forms that go into creating a movie, you're just left with : light. That's not art. : Durf! : There comes a point where, when you throw enough elements of art into : something, it becomes its own art form. Now, while the examples provided : to this author are pretty awful, I really do strain to think of great : examples of art in video games. Let's face it, Halo's story isn't : particularly comparable to any great novels or movies out there, and its : art style, though impressive and fairly unique as games go, isn't : particularly something to be studied or hung up in the Louvre. That said, : to say the medium is incapable of "art" is a bit overzealous. : Games need to be taken as a sum of their parts, not as various art forms : slapped together. : The root of the problem here is that video games have become a meeting place : of competitive games and art. These are very incompatible concepts and : this incompatibility is often the root cause of these debates. It's like : giving chess a make over and an epic storyline. : The difference is as stark as looking at the drastic variance in the use of : art in singleplayer and multiplayer experiences; often this contrast is : evident within individual games. : Multiplayer-centric games gloss over, detract from, or completely ignore the : art available to them in light of a competitive environment. Explaining : Slayer in Halo canon? Waste of time. Throwing in excessively detailed bump : mapping, lighting, and models into a multiplayer environment reliant on : quick and efficient responses? Counter-intuitive. Setting the multiplayer : gameplay to an amazing orchestral score? Distracting. Once you turn to : single player experiences that attempt to "arrange elements in a way : that appeals to the senses or emotions," you start to see where : various art forms coming together can really dress up a game and create an : interactive experience. : In fact it seems as though a lot of games are heading in a direction which : turn them into comprehensive interactive experiences. How this potential : use of the medium fails to achieve the label of art is beyond me. The only : explanation I can suppose is that these interactive experiences are no : longer "video games," but rather something else. That's : splitting hairs at this point. : Hell, its this trend that I so often bemoan on this forum. It's not that I : don't enjoy a good movie, and it's not that I wouldn't enjoy a compelling : and engaging video game experience (I've already experienced this to some : degree with a few games out there), it's that there's a very clear removal : or de-emphasis of the actual "game" element of which the medium : is based upon. Thankfully, they're making Starcraft 2. : Now where's my Peter Jackson's Halo Project? Since we're in need of examples to shove in Ebert's face, what do we think about this? http://www.el33tonline.com/past/2010/3/29/best_games_of_all_time/ (Yes, Starcraft is #8, dun wury itz gun b k guyz)

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Message Index

(F)ART OR NOT?	Miguel Chavez	4/18/10 4:06 a.m.
Re: (F)ART OR NOT?	NsU Soldier	4/18/10 6:19 a.m.
(F)ART *NM*	hyokin	4/18/10 7:14 a.m.
Re: (F)ART OR NOT?	DHalo	4/18/10 9:03 a.m.
Vague, abstract terms are just headaches!	Leviathan	4/18/10 12:16 p.m.
Re: Vague, abstract terms are just headaches!	Jillybean	4/18/10 3:10 p.m.
Re: Vague, abstract terms are just headaches!	Cody Miller	4/18/10 7:01 p.m.
BLAAAAAAAAAAAH	Riceatron	4/18/10 7:30 p.m.
Re: BLAAAAAAAAAAAH	Cody Miller	4/18/10 7:47 p.m.
Re: BLAAAAAAAAAAAH	Riceatron	4/18/10 7:51 p.m.
Re: Vague, abstract terms are just headaches!	Leviathan	4/18/10 9:16 p.m.
Re: (F)ART OR NOT?	General Vagueness	4/18/10 1:28 p.m.
Re: (F)ART OR NOT?	General Vagueness	4/18/10 1:30 p.m.
Re: (F)ART OR NOT?	SonofMacPhisto	4/18/10 1:46 p.m.
Re: (F)ART OR NOT?	General Vagueness	4/18/10 2:27 p.m.
Re: (F)ART OR NOT?	SonofMacPhisto	4/18/10 3:29 p.m.
A view from outside HBO	SonofMacPhisto	4/18/10 4:54 p.m.
cut/paste fail	SonofMacPhisto	4/18/10 4:56 p.m.
Re: A view from those asshole Hardcore gamers	Hawaiian Pig	4/18/10 5:24 p.m.
Re: A view from those asshole Hardcore gamers	SonofMacPhisto	4/18/10 6:03 p.m.
welp, i posted a comment	Hawaiian Pig	4/18/10 7:45 p.m.
Re: welp, i posted a comment	Cody Miller	4/18/10 7:59 p.m.
Re: welp, i posted a comment	Hawaiian Pig	4/18/10 8:10 p.m.
Cody.	Riceatron	4/18/10 8:57 p.m.
Re: welp, i posted a comment	Cody Miller	4/18/10 9:20 p.m.
JRPGs don't give up a lot of control bro *NM*	Hawaiian Pig	4/18/10 9:24 p.m.
Re: JRPGs don't give up a lot of control bro	General Vagueness	4/18/10 10:08 p.m.
Re: JRPGs don't give up a lot of control bro	Hawaiian Pig	4/18/10 10:39 p.m.
Re: welp, i posted a comment	SonofMacPhisto	4/18/10 9:38 p.m.
Re: welp, i posted a comment	Leviathan	4/18/10 8:29 p.m.
Re: welp, i posted a comment	SonofMacPhisto	4/18/10 9:02 p.m.
Re: A view from those asshole Hardcore gamers	General Vagueness	4/18/10 9:34 p.m.
Re: (F)ART OR NOT?	Cody Miller	4/18/10 6:47 p.m.
Re: (F)ART OR NOT?	NsU Soldier	4/18/10 7:08 p.m.
Re: (F)ART OR NOT?	ThorsHammer	4/19/10 8:50 a.m.
What about this?	Avateur	4/21/10 4:34 a.m.