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The desperation was subtle, but there
Posted By: Jordan117	Date: 5/31/09 12:41 a.m.
In Response To: Some comments. (Gravemind) : "Earth City" vs. "Outskirts/Metropolis" : One of my main beefs with how things turned on in the final game versus what : we saw in the E3 demo isn't the stage design in and of itself. Rather, my : opinion, which is shared by The BS Police, is that the difference in tone : is the major problem. In the build up to Halo 2, we were told that : "Earth will never be the same." In the announce trailer, Earth's : surface was covered with nuclear explosions. The whole world was on fire. : Earth City reinforced this sense of desperation. New Mombasa was under : seige. After evading anti-air fire, the Chief's Pelican lands near a : triage unit. The Marines were caught in large-scale urban combat with : Covenant ground forces. The Covies had numerous troops, vehicles, and a : giant plasma mortar shelling the hell out of the Marines. You really got : the sense that Earth was well and truly boned. : Halo 2 as it actually is is far less impressive in terms of overall tone. : There is no sense of desperation. It doesn't feel like Earth is in danger. : Of course, Earth wasn't even attacked in a full-scale invasion, and only : Regret's ship landed on Earth. Even then, it didn't even feel like New : Mombasa was in danger. There's the Chief, a few scattered groups of : Marines, and a relatively small Covenant occupation force that apparently : didn't bother causing large-scale carnage. It's like we went from : "Earth will never be the same" to "These bland beige : alleyways will never be the same." Of course, Halo 3 isn't any better : in this regard, despite the end of Halo 2 finally showing off some of what : was hinted at in the H2 announce trailer. Instead of a battle depicting : humanity's last stand, the Chief spends the first third of the game : dicking around in the wilderness and helping a couple of Pelicans out of : an old base. The only part of human civilization he happens across is a : single factory. If you played the game without knowing anything about : Halo, you'd probably have no clue that the Earth was completely overrun. The problem in Halo 2 was that mid-stream development changes bumped the "It's the goddamned apocalypse"-scale invasion from the beginning of the game (Cairo Station) to the end of it ("Sir, finishing this fight"). You can read some more about my theory here: http://forums.bungie.org/halo/archive25.pl?read=725324 I think this idea was (subtly) vindicated by what we saw in Halo 3 and related media. A rundown: - The action's not just in Africa -- in Ghosts of Onyx, the Covenant are said to have touched down in Cuba, Antarctica, and off the coast of the Yucatan Peninsula; in Uprising they attack Cleveland. - In the first Uprising comic one of the characters hints that the Covenant glassed Australia - The Beastiarum lists Earth's population as "600 million (sudden change)", implying that at least several hundred million were killed during the invasion - This is corroborated by what Miranda Keyes said during the intro to Crow's Nest: "Terrestrial casualties from the subsequent bombardment were... extreme" - Also, Frankie, in the campaign vidoc, says: "The Covenant has absolutely destroyed parts of Earth, millions of people have died." - This sign implies that the Covenant are leveling entire cities.

Message Index

Speaking of E3...	FyreWulff	5/28/09 1:27 p.m.
That video is still epic	Gilver	5/28/09 2:34 p.m.
Re: That video is still epic	The BS Police	5/28/09 2:38 p.m.
Re: That video is still epic	FyreWulff	5/28/09 3:24 p.m.
Re: That video is still epic	The BS Police	5/28/09 5:17 p.m.
Re: That video is still epic	Ibeechu	5/28/09 5:18 p.m.
Re: That video is still epic	The BS Police	5/28/09 5:20 p.m.
Re: That video is still epic	Ibeechu	5/28/09 5:21 p.m.
Re: That video is still epic	The BS Police	5/28/09 5:27 p.m.
I'll look it up. *NM*	Gravemind	5/28/09 5:49 p.m.
I'm watching the doc now. At the HBO lan part *NM*	Ibeechu	5/28/09 5:55 p.m.
K, here's a transcription	Ibeechu	5/28/09 6:12 p.m.
Also.	Gravemind	5/28/09 6:40 p.m.
Re: Also.	Ibeechu	5/28/09 7:29 p.m.
Re: Also.	The BS Police	5/28/09 7:34 p.m.
Re: Also.	Ibeechu	5/28/09 7:50 p.m.
Re: Also.	The BS Police	5/28/09 8:30 p.m.
Re: Also.	Ibeechu	5/28/09 9:19 p.m.
Re: Also.	The BS Police	5/28/09 9:28 p.m.
Re: Also.	Captain Spark	5/28/09 10:18 p.m.
Re: Also.	Gravemind	5/28/09 11:26 p.m.
Re: Also.	Free Weights	5/29/09 1:40 a.m.
Re: Also.	Cody Miller	5/29/09 2:27 a.m.
Re: Also.	Eiii	5/29/09 3:38 a.m.
Re: Also.	The BS Police	5/29/09 5:47 a.m.
Re: Also.	Free Weights	5/29/09 8:09 a.m.
Halo 1: Psychological Thriller?	Ze Moose	5/30/09 3:27 a.m.
Re: Also.	Captain Spark	5/29/09 8:04 a.m.
Re: Also.	Free Weights	5/29/09 8:20 a.m.
Re: Also.	Free Weights	5/28/09 10:42 p.m.
Re: Also.	Ibeechu	5/28/09 11:26 p.m.
Tangent thoughts about the Arbiter	Leviathan	5/28/09 11:53 p.m.
Re: Tangent thoughts about the Arbiter	Free Weights	5/29/09 1:43 a.m.
Re: Also.	FyreWulff	5/28/09 10:59 p.m.
Re: Also.	Psychophan7	5/29/09 1:48 a.m.
Re: Also.	LoneRanger 2.5	5/28/09 9:32 p.m.
Re: Also.	The BS Police	5/28/09 9:41 p.m.
Re: Also.	LoneRanger 2.5	5/28/09 9:45 p.m.
:(	Hunt3r	5/28/09 10:43 p.m.
Re: Also.	Ze Moose	5/29/09 12:45 a.m.
Re: Also.	Bones153	5/28/09 8:15 p.m.
So it was technical issues? *NM*	Gravemind	5/28/09 8:56 p.m.
Re: Also.	Miguel Chavez	5/28/09 11:52 p.m.
Re: That video is still epic	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	5/28/09 5:30 p.m.
Re: That video is still epic	Buttskunk	5/28/09 11:07 p.m.
you missed a few!	Mirel	5/28/09 2:54 p.m.
Re: you missed a few!	FyreWulff	5/28/09 3:45 p.m.
Re: Speaking of E3...	The More Deluded	5/28/09 3:56 p.m.
Re: Speaking of E3...	Omega	5/28/09 9:12 p.m.
Re: Speaking of E3...	LoneRanger 2.5	5/28/09 9:38 p.m.
The Sword Scene Still Gets Me Off.	Morpheus	5/28/09 10:38 p.m.
Re: The Sword Scene Still Gets Me Off.	Free Weights	5/29/09 1:33 a.m.
GIVE IT UP ALREADY	Jillybean	5/29/09 7:22 a.m.
Re: GIVE IT UP ALREADY	Cody Miller	5/29/09 12:41 p.m.
Re: GIVE IT UP ALREADY	General Vagueness	5/29/09 2:14 p.m.
Re: Speaking of E3... (UPDATED VIDEO)	FyreWulff	5/29/09 3:21 p.m.
Re: Speaking of E3... (UPDATED VIDEO)	Louis Wu	5/29/09 3:25 p.m.
Re: Speaking of E3... (UPDATED VIDEO)	Psychophan7	5/31/09 2:29 a.m.
Some comments.	Gravemind	5/30/09 3:59 a.m.
Re: Some comments.	FyreWulff	5/30/09 11:46 a.m.
Re: Some comments.	Gravemind	5/30/09 3:25 p.m.
Re: Some comments.	Ze Moose	5/30/09 3:46 p.m.
Re: Some comments.	Gravemind	5/30/09 5:38 p.m.
The desperation was subtle, but there	Jordan117	5/31/09 12:41 a.m.
Re: The desperation was subtle, but there	Ze Moose	5/31/09 12:59 a.m.
Just thought of one more...	Jordan117	5/31/09 1:26 a.m.
Woah. Hadn't noticed that before. *NM*	Ze Moose	5/31/09 1:46 a.m.
Re: The desperation was subtle, but there	Gravemind	5/31/09 1:44 a.m.
Re: The desperation was subtle, but there	LoneRanger 2.5	5/31/09 4:03 a.m.
Re: The desperation was subtle, but there	Gravemind	5/31/09 6:26 a.m.
Re: The desperation was subtle, but there	Psychophan7	5/31/09 8:52 a.m.
I blame Shiska! *NM*	scarab	5/31/09 10:46 a.m.
Re: The desperation was subtle, but there	Gravemind	5/31/09 2:37 p.m.
Re: The desperation was subtle, but there	LoneRanger 2.5	5/31/09 9:48 p.m.
Good point, the Terminals were brilliant *NM*	Ze Moose	5/31/09 11:37 p.m.
Re: The desperation was subtle, but there	General Vagueness	5/31/09 11:01 a.m.
Question ....	serpx	5/30/09 4:36 p.m.