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	Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big Time
	Posted By: Steve Levinson	Date: 12/4/01 4:54 p.m.
	In Response To: Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big Time (Shnu) : yeh, how does Moo jive with the M2 ending screen? Seems kinda shaky. I think that the Universes do in fact come together at the end of Moo. Although the M2 ending screen, tells the story of events to come well into the future, however, the final screen on All Roads Lead To Sol clearly tells the tale of the detonation of the trih xeem and the destruction of Lh'owon. Durandal goes on to tell the marine that he and the S'pht are on their way to study a rogue star (the one orbited by the Salinger in Rubicon?), so he clearly doesn't anticipate what is coming in Moo. Why didn't the S'pht warn Durandal - shouldn't he have known about the W'rkncacnter at the end of M2? The simplest explanation is that Bungie took some liberties and changed the plot a bit in Moo (I know this is herasy) - we see this all the time in the Star Trek universe, in spite of a loyal following that complains bitterly when this happens. OK, if we assume that Bungie is all knowing and couldn't make such a mistake, then I think that we must assume that there is only one true time line and that in it, the W'rkncacnter is contained and Durandal never even witnesses its existence. Only the marine has any knowledge that there were multiple universes and that all others were essentially destroyed by the W'rkncacnter. What is particularly disquieting is that this implies that all of the events of M2 weren't real - they were not part of the surviving universe. For those of you old enough to remember, it's sort of like when the TV series Dallas wrote an entire season off as being only a dream - which ultimately killed the series. Does that imply that the ending screen from M2 never really existed? That would certainly get us out of a lot of contradictions. But then the ending screen in M2 would contradict the reality that in that universe, the universe was destroyed. Yikes! Here's a more logical way out of this quandary. Assume that, up until the deployment of the trih xeem and the release of the W'rkncacnter, there was only one, orderly universe. Until the moment that the W'rkncacnter introduced chaos into ordered space, all events were logical and the continuance of the timeline outlined in the ending screen of M2 was quite plausable. The moment that the W'rkncacnter was released, however, the space time continuum was fractured and the timeline outlined in the M2 ending screen was, in a sense, recanted. Durandal has just told you to leave and he is on his way to do some exploration when, somehow mysteriously, you are transported to an ancient Jjaro station orbiting Lh'owon. The W'rkncacnter has emerged from its gravity prison and all that exists is you, the station, Durandal, who is apparently dying, Thoth, and Tycho's ship. But Tycho's ship seems to already be in another universe. I believe that at this moment, space and time have been fractured, and that none of these shares the same universe or point in time. In fact, perhaps we are split into multiple realities as well and are no longer a single cybernetic being, but multiple beings in different timelines. It is only when we discover the correct strategy to contain the W'rkncacnter that all timelines merge into a single reality at the end. So what becomes of the ending portrayed in the final screen in M2? Obviously, a number of 3rd party scenario makers believe that it is still true and that life goes on as if Moo never happened. This is obviously the approach taken in Rubicon, for example. Others seem to assume that other realities still existed as, for example, in Pfh' Joueur. As much as we might like to believe these stories, I think that the release of the W'rkncacnter forever changed things and that, although only a single reality persists at the end of Moo, it is not the same one described at the end of M2. Durandal is now a merged entity with Thoth. The marine is now some sort of super being - not IMO a God in the sense that Mark Levin has proposed, but certainly more than a cybernetically enhanced human - and the only entity in the universe to apparently be aware of the W'rkncacnter and the multiple universes that resulted. It'll be interesting to see where this discussion goes when we get to the next level ;-)

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Replies:

	Volunteers: You Think You're Big Time	Mark Levin	12/4/01 11:02 a.m.
	Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big Time	[Tycho?]	12/4/01 11:28 a.m.
	Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big Time	Steve Levinson	12/4/01 12:53 p.m.
	Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big Time	Tycho7en	12/4/01 1:38 p.m.
	Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big Time	Shnu	12/4/01 2:37 p.m.
	Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big Time	Steve Levinson	12/4/01 4:54 p.m.
	Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big Time	Tycho7en	12/4/01 6:23 p.m.
	Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big Time	Tru7h	12/5/01 12:37 p.m.
	Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big Time	SNoblitt	12/4/01 7:40 p.m.
	Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big Time	CharlesS	12/4/01 10:18 p.m.
	Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big Time	Steve Levinson	12/5/01 6:08 a.m.

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