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Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big Time
Posted By: Tycho7enDate: 12/4/01 6:23 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big Time (Steve Levinson)

: OK, if we assume that Bungie is all knowing and couldn't make such a mistake,
: then I think that we must assume that there is only one true time line and
: that in it, the W'rkncacnter is contained and Durandal never even
: witnesses its existence. Only the marine has any knowledge that there were
: multiple universes and that all others were essentially destroyed by the
: W'rkncacnter. What is particularly disquieting is that this implies that
: all of the events of M2 weren't real - they were not part of the surviving
: universe. For those of you old enough to remember, it's sort of like when
: the TV series Dallas wrote an entire season off as being only a dream -
: which ultimately killed the series. Does that imply that the ending screen
: from M2 never really existed? That would certainly get us out of a lot of
: contradictions. But then the ending screen in M2 would contradict the
: reality that in that universe, the universe was destroyed. Yikes!

I did consider that to be a possibility, but then again... Thoth wasn't in Marathon 2 until later (check the rough draft from arrival.bungie.org). It's possible that Thoth was intended to be a "bridge" between M2 and Moo. I thought it was a bit odd that Thoth's role diminished after Durandal's return was made public... perhaps the events of MI were made to correct (not to change) M2's story. Or, since there really wasn't much that was "corrected", it's an addition to unravel more of the secrets of L'howon. I think that the M2 universe wasn't destroyed... it was merely spun into chaos for a time.

: Here's a more logical way out of this quandary. Assume that, up until the
: deployment of the trih xeem and the release of the W'rkncacnter, there was
: only one, orderly universe. Until the moment that the W'rkncacnter
: introduced chaos into ordered space, all events were logical and the
: continuance of the timeline outlined in the ending screen of M2 was quite
: plausable. The moment that the W'rkncacnter was released, however, the
: space time continuum was fractured and the timeline outlined in the M2
: ending screen was, in a sense, recanted. Durandal has just told you to
: leave and he is on his way to do some exploration when, somehow
: mysteriously, you are transported to an ancient Jjaro station orbiting
: Lh'owon. The W'rkncacnter has emerged from its gravity prison and all that
: exists is you, the station, Durandal, who is apparently dying, Thoth, and
: Tycho's ship. But Tycho's ship seems to already be in another universe. I
: believe that at this moment, space and time have been fractured, and that
: none of these shares the same universe or point in time. In fact, perhaps
: we are split into multiple realities as well and are no longer a single
: cybernetic being, but multiple beings in different timelines. It is only
: when we discover the correct strategy to contain the W'rkncacnter that all
: timelines merge into a single reality at the end.

Yes, this is what I was going for. The universe is in such a state of chaos that you can actually look through a window and see not the universe that you're in, but a completely different universe where not everything's as you remember it...

: So what becomes of the ending portrayed in the final screen in M2? Obviously,
: a number of 3rd party scenario makers believe that it is still true and
: that life goes on as if Moo never happened. This is obviously the approach
: taken in Rubicon, for example. Others seem to assume that other realities
: still existed as, for example, in Pfh' Joueur. As much as we might like to
: believe these stories, I think that the release of the W'rkncacnter
: forever changed things and that, although only a single reality persists
: at the end of Moo, it is not the same one described at the end of M2.
: Durandal is now a merged entity with Thoth. The marine is now some sort of
: super being - not IMO a God in the sense that Mark Levin has proposed, but
: certainly more than a cybernetically enhanced human - and the only entity
: in the universe to apparently be aware of the W'rkncacnter and the
: multiple universes that resulted.

Mmmn... well, I believed that the Durandal/Thoth entity, the Jjaro and the player all devoted the rest of their lives to maintining the universe and reestablishing it as the way it was (it's M2 state). But this is clearly a field not very well detailed, although it would explain the disappearance of the player from the M2 ending. Did anyone find it odd that the ending doesn't mention what happened to the player? I believe that this is something that the fans were to make their own conclusions on.

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Replies:

Volunteers: You Think You're Big TimeMark Levin 12/4/01 11:02 a.m.
     Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big Time[Tycho?] 12/4/01 11:28 a.m.
           Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big TimeSteve Levinson 12/4/01 12:53 p.m.
     Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big TimeTycho7en 12/4/01 1:38 p.m.
           Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big TimeShnu 12/4/01 2:37 p.m.
                 Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big TimeSteve Levinson 12/4/01 4:54 p.m.
                       Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big TimeTycho7en 12/4/01 6:23 p.m.
                             Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big TimeTru7h 12/5/01 12:37 p.m.
                       Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big TimeSNoblitt 12/4/01 7:40 p.m.
                       Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big TimeCharlesS 12/4/01 10:18 p.m.
                             Re: Volunteers: You Think You're Big TimeSteve Levinson 12/5/01 6:08 a.m.



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