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*Halo Spoiler* Re: not intelligent life...
Posted By: Rick BlaineDate: 5/17/02 1:04 p.m.

In Response To: not intelligent life... (Napalm Boy)

: Personally, I always thought it was more of a mass requirement than an
: intelligence requirement. 343 says at the beginning of Two Betrayals,
: "...this galaxy will be quite devoid of life, or at least any life
: with sufficient biomass to sustain the flood." I'm imagining that
: this means that some form of bacterium, microbs, etc. may survive, but big
: things (humans, covenant, monkeys, dogs...whatever's larger than a couple
: of cells) would be wiped out by the pulse generator.

Please understand that I have no problem with you. In fact, I _thank_ you for bringing this point up. This is _not_ about you, or me, or even about winning an argument, it's about understanding. Personal beliefs & opinions don't enter into discussion at this point at all.

Two hard facts from the game. To paraphrase Casey Stengle, we can look them up for ourselves.

http://halo.bungie.org/story/level_transcripts/lv08_2bet.html

[quote]
Level 08 : TWO BETRAYALS
Part 01: Two Betrayals

(Opening cinematic-Long shot of the Control room. MC and 343GS teleport in, obviously in the middle of a conversation)

343 GUILTY SPARK:

...Which means that any organism of sufficient mass and cognitive ability is a potential vector.
[close quote]

and further along...

[quote]
MASTER CHIEF:

Enough! The flood is spreading. If we activate Halo's defenses, we can wipe them out.

CORTANA:

You have no idea how this ring works, do you? Why the forerunners built it? Halo doesn't kill flood, it kills their food. Humans, covenant, whatever. We're all equally edible. The only way to stop the flood is to starve them to death. And that's exactly what Halo is designed to do; wipe the galaxy clean of all sentient life. You don't believe me? Ask him.

(Master Chief turns to 343 Guilty Spark)

MASTER CHIEF:

Is is true?

343 GUILTY SPARK:

(pauses) More or less. Technically, this installation's pulse has a maximum effective radius of twenty-five thousand light years. But, once the others follow suit, this galaxy will be quite devoid of life, or at least any life with sufficient biomass to sustain the flood. (pause) But you already knew that. I mean, how couldn't you?
[closq quote]

: I'm not sure what to make of the sentience argument; whether a life form
: would have to be self-aware to be affected by Halo's weapons or not seems
: a difficult question. To me, it appears to be awfully specific to make a
: weapon of mass destruction...if your goal is to stop the flood from
: overrunning the galaxy, and you decide that the best way to do it is to
: keep them from being able to eat, it's not likely that you'll spend the
: time to determine sentience of the things you're going to be killing. I
: think you're more likely to just destroy everything on the off chance that
: the flood could feed on it...shoot first, no questions to ask later.

The easiest way to stop the flood is just to kill all the flood, & all infected beings. Halo doesn't do this. Why not? Here's where the personal beliefs & interpertation begin.

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*Halo Spoiler* The trap.Rick Blaine 5/14/02 5:59 p.m.
     Re: *Halo Spoiler* The trap.Claude Errera 5/14/02 6:39 p.m.
     Re: *Halo Spoiler* The trap.archon 5/14/02 11:14 p.m.
           Re: *Halo Spoiler* The trap.archon 5/14/02 11:20 p.m.
                 Re: *Halo Spoiler* The trap.Dan Johnson 5/15/02 10:01 p.m.
     not intelligent life...Napalm Boy 5/17/02 11:52 a.m.
           Re: not intelligent life...archon 5/17/02 12:32 p.m.
           *Halo Spoiler* Re: not intelligent life...Rick Blaine 5/17/02 1:04 p.m.
                 *Halo Spoiler* Re: not intelligent life...Napalm Boy 5/17/02 2:41 p.m.
                       Re: *Halo Spoiler* Re: not intelligent life...PfhorSlayer 5/24/02 8:17 p.m.
                             Re: *Halo Spoiler* Re: not intelligent life...Mark Levin 5/24/02 9:41 p.m.
                                   Re: *Halo Spoiler* Re: not intelligent life...John Denton 5/25/02 5:57 p.m.
                             a terrifying possibiltyJohn Denton 5/25/02 12:18 a.m.
                                   Re: a terrifying possibiltyTru7h 5/25/02 6:06 a.m.
                                         Re: a terrifying possibiltyzudo 5/25/02 7:39 a.m.
                                               Re: a terrifying possibiltyTru7h 5/25/02 10:07 a.m.
                                                     Re: a terrifying possibiltyBoomer 5/25/02 10:47 a.m.
                                                           You must read the Dirk Gently books.John Denton 5/25/02 5:55 p.m.
                                                     Physics >> BiologyCow Mutilator 5/26/02 11:29 a.m.
                                                           Re: Physics >> BiologyTru7h 5/26/02 8:05 p.m.
                                                                 Watch outJohn Denton 5/27/02 8:06 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Watch outTynskel 5/31/02 4:59 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Watch outTru7h 6/1/02 5:43 a.m.
                                                           Re: Physics >> BiologyJohn Denton 5/27/02 7:57 p.m.
                                                                 but we know how to do those calculationsTru7h 5/28/02 2:13 p.m.
                                         well...John Denton 5/25/02 5:50 p.m.
                                               Re: well...Tru7h 5/25/02 7:07 p.m.
                                                     Re: well...Boomer 5/25/02 8:34 p.m.
                                                           They are pretty zombieesque. *NM*John Denton 5/25/02 10:03 p.m.
                                                           Re: well...Tru7h 5/26/02 6:44 a.m.
                                                                 Re: well...Boomer 5/26/02 7:25 a.m.
                                                                       You Mean Armor *NM*REB 5/26/02 8:07 a.m.
                                                                 Re: well...Elite Spartan II 5/26/02 8:57 a.m.
                                                                       Re: well...Djof 5/26/02 4:55 p.m.
                                                                             Re: well...Elite Spartan II 5/26/02 5:44 p.m.
                                                                       they cant if ther Dead!!! *NM*Tru7h 5/26/02 8:06 p.m.
                                                           Re: well...Elite Spartan II 5/26/02 8:46 a.m.
                                                                 Re: well...Tru7h 5/26/02 8:08 p.m.
                                                                       Re: well...Tynskel 5/31/02 5:07 p.m.
                                                     Re: well...Tynskel 5/31/02 5:02 p.m.
                                                           Re: well...Tru7h 6/1/02 5:45 a.m.
                 Re: *Halo Spoiler* Re: not intelligent life...Hydroconcil87 6/28/02 1:49 a.m.
                       Re: *Halo Spoiler* Re: not intelligent life...Hydroconcil87 6/28/02 2:11 a.m.
     Nice.MakeMineRed 5/17/02 1:40 p.m.
           *Halo Spoiler* Re: Nice.Rick Blaine 5/17/02 3:11 p.m.
                 Re: *Halo Spoiler* Re: Nice.archon 5/17/02 6:01 p.m.
                 Re: *Halo Spoiler* Re: Nice.PesTiLenCe 5/21/02 1:46 p.m.
                       Re: *Halo Spoiler* Re: Nice.archon 5/21/02 6:47 p.m.
                             Re: *Halo Spoiler* Re: Nice.archon 5/21/02 6:50 p.m.
                 Re: *Halo Spoiler* Re: Nice.•M 5/26/02 5:30 a.m.
     Re: *Halo Spoiler* The trap.John Denton 5/23/02 4:57 p.m.
           Um, Correct Me If I'm Wrong...ATMantis 5/26/02 6:40 a.m.
                 Re: Um, Correct Me If I'm Wrong...ATMantis 5/27/02 7:51 p.m.
                       Re: Um, Correct Me If I'm Wrong...John Denton 5/27/02 8:25 p.m.
                             Re: Um, Correct Me If I'm Wrong...ATMantis 6/1/02 1:03 a.m.
                 Re: Um, Correct Me If I'm Wrong...John Denton 5/27/02 8:19 p.m.



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