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Re: Times have changed.
Posted By: rampancyDate: 3/26/07 12:33 a.m.

In Response To: Times have changed. (RyokoTK)

: I don't think that games have necessarily gotten worse since the period you
: mentioned -- I think the ideas of an excellent game have just shifted.

I want to agree with you, but I dunno - take a look at Doom 3, Quake 4, and Prey - all good games in their own right, with ground breaking graphics, but it almost seems like gameplay is out the window. The worst of these has to be Doom 3. Don't get me wrong, I love it to death, but the game has completely lost all pretense of atmospheric horror that it was supposed to convey, thanks to its ridiculous monster closets, "Rear Admirals", and other such cheap tricks.

In stark contrast, we have classics like Deus Ex (arguably excluding its sequel) and the NOLF series (perhaps excluding Contract J.A.C.K.), plus modern classics like MOHAA and CoD. All of which exemplifying game design ideals which, IMHO, never go out of style - good flow, reasonable pacing and enemy placement, and good level design.

In short, I agree in that I don't think that games have really gotten all that worse - the releases of Shadows of the Colossus, God of War, Gears of War, Galactic Civilizations, and Supreme Commander, not to mention the hype surrounding C&C 3 and Crysis are examples that the quality of more games may have actually slightly improved somewhat - but at the same time, I think that gamers are just as appreciative of what makes a good title as they were in the past.

That being said, I'd love to see more innovative titles like Katamari Damacy, Stubbs the Zombie, or fl0w being put out there. Sadly, as in many things, people just aren't as appreciative of true innovation as they should be.

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is the forum dying?Nicholai 3/10/07 6:48 a.m.
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     Re: is the forum dying?kyjel 3/10/07 9:19 a.m.
           I really hope so! *NM*Nicholai 3/10/07 10:42 a.m.
     Re: is the forum dying?SnowCrash 3/10/07 9:22 a.m.
           Re: is the forum dying?Nicholai 3/10/07 10:44 a.m.
     Re: is the forum dying?Tyler 3/10/07 9:47 a.m.
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                 Re: is the forum dying?Nicholai 3/10/07 11:03 a.m.
           your reply almost made me cry! 8^DNicholai 3/10/07 10:41 a.m.
                 Cute.RyokoTK 3/11/07 10:43 p.m.
                       Well...RyokoTK 3/11/07 10:44 p.m.
                       Re: Cute.mitchellan 3/12/07 5:59 a.m.
                             Re: Cute.thermoplyae 3/12/07 10:10 a.m.
                                   Re: Cute.treellama 3/12/07 10:28 a.m.
                             Nauseated, not nauseous. :) *NM*RyokoTK 3/12/07 10:38 a.m.
                                   Whoops! ;) *NM*mitchellan 3/13/07 5:58 a.m.
                       Re: Cute.Vid Boi 3/17/07 4:54 a.m.
                             Re: Cute.Forrest of B.org 3/19/07 8:30 a.m.
                                   Re: Cute.Nicholai 3/19/07 11:38 a.m.
                                         Re: Cute.RyokoTK 3/20/07 12:03 p.m.
                                               Re: Cute.AfroRyan 3/20/07 12:52 p.m.
                                                     Well...MrHen 3/20/07 1:02 p.m.
                                                           Re: Well...My Name 3/30/07 8:23 p.m.
                                                           Re: Well...AfroRyan 4/2/07 12:55 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Well...RyokoTK 4/2/07 1:50 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Well...AfroRyan 4/3/07 6:22 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Well...RyokoTK 4/3/07 7:59 a.m.
                                   Re: Cute.thermoplyae 3/19/07 1:31 p.m.
                                   well, I guess my topic brought some to the forum *NM*Nicholai 3/20/07 9:16 a.m.
                                         some talk confirming that no one talks? *NM*thermoplyae 3/20/07 3:04 p.m.
                                               Talk about being not dead...Forrest of B.org 3/20/07 8:43 p.m.
                                                     Re: Talk about being not dead...Tyler 3/21/07 5:46 p.m.
                                                           Re: Talk about being not dead...D-M.A. 3/21/07 8:04 p.m.
                                                     Re: Talk about being not dead...Nicholai 3/22/07 7:27 p.m.
                                                           Re: Talk about being not dead...thermoplyae 3/22/07 9:19 p.m.
                                                     Re: Talk about being not dead...My Name 3/24/07 3:49 a.m.
                                   Re: Cute.Vid Boi 3/23/07 2:45 a.m.
                                         Nah, I agree.MrHen 3/23/07 5:52 a.m.
                                               Re: Nah, I agree.thermoplyae 3/23/07 7:35 a.m.
                                                     PuzzlesMrHen 3/23/07 1:19 p.m.
                                         Re: Cute.Nicholai 3/23/07 6:58 a.m.
                                               Re: Cute.thermoplyae 3/23/07 7:38 a.m.
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                                               Re: Cute.MrHen 3/23/07 1:29 p.m.
                                                     wooooooo FFX *NM*thermoplyae 3/23/07 5:22 p.m.
                                                     Re: Cute.Nicholai 3/23/07 9:36 p.m.
                                         Times have changed.RyokoTK 3/25/07 7:05 p.m.
                                               Re: Times have changed.thermoplyae 3/25/07 10:12 p.m.
                                               Re: Times have changed.Johannes Gunnar 3/25/07 10:42 p.m.
                                               Re: Times have changed.rampancy 3/26/07 12:33 a.m.
                                                     Re: Times have changed.Andromeda_5[Kilo] 3/26/07 6:04 a.m.
                                                     Re: Times have changed.My Name 3/30/07 8:16 p.m.
                                               Re: Times have changed.Nicholai 3/26/07 6:29 p.m.
                                                     Re: Times have changed.RyokoTK 3/27/07 8:59 p.m.
                                                           Re: Times have changed.Forrest of B.org 3/28/07 12:18 a.m.
                                                           Re: Times have changed.Nicholai 3/28/07 10:22 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Times have changed.RyokoTK 4/2/07 8:44 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Times have changed.Nicholai 4/2/07 10:42 a.m.
                                                                             uh...MrHen 4/2/07 1:28 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: uh...Nicholai 4/3/07 7:29 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Times have changed.RyokoTK 4/2/07 1:47 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Times have changed.Nicholai 4/3/07 7:20 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Times have changed.RyokoTK 4/3/07 8:03 p.m.
                                                                                               The Xbox was basically a failureMrHen 4/4/07 1:06 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: The Xbox was basically a failureRyokoTK 4/4/07 2:40 p.m.
                                                                                                           oh, right, graphics...MrHen 4/5/07 1:57 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: The Xbox was basically a failureShoeless 4/5/07 12:29 p.m.
                                                                                                           Hm, cool link. *NM*MrHen 4/5/07 1:56 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: The Xbox was basically a failureNicholai 4/5/07 2:29 p.m.
                                                                                         GC vs. PS2 vs. XboxMrHen 4/4/07 1:02 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Times have changed.AfroRyan 4/2/07 1:27 p.m.
                                                                       I remember Crazy Taxi... that game was fun. :) *NM*MrHen 4/3/07 1:01 p.m.
                                                                             agreed *NM*Nicholai 4/3/07 7:30 p.m.
     stop asking this question alreadythermoplyae 3/10/07 11:03 a.m.
           blehMrHen 3/11/07 9:17 a.m.
                 Re: blehthermoplyae 3/11/07 9:32 a.m.
                       Re: blehForrest of B.org 3/11/07 10:47 a.m.
                             Re: blehthermoplyae 3/11/07 12:55 p.m.
                                   Re: blehAaron Sikes 3/11/07 5:42 p.m.
                             What about HBO?Nicholai 3/11/07 7:12 p.m.
                                   Re: What about HBO?Forrest of B.org 3/11/07 10:15 p.m.
           Re: stop asking this question alreadygoran 3/12/07 8:59 a.m.
                 download numbers...MrHen 3/12/07 9:39 a.m.
                 Re: stop asking this question alreadythermoplyae 3/12/07 10:09 a.m.
                 Re: stop asking this question alreadyRyokoTK 3/12/07 10:59 a.m.
     Re: is the forum dying?mitchellan 3/10/07 2:07 p.m.
     Re: is the forum dying?My Name 3/30/07 8:43 p.m.
           Re: is the forum dying?Nicholai 3/31/07 7:21 a.m.
                 well, this must be one of longest threads, right?Nicholai 4/1/07 9:05 p.m.
                       Re: well, this must be one of longest threads, rigukimalefu 4/2/07 11:48 p.m.
                             you said it amigo!!!! *NM*Nicholai 4/3/07 7:31 p.m.

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