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Times have changed.
Posted By: RyokoTKDate: 3/25/07 7:05 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Cute. (Vid Boi)

: I was mostly serious. I don't know if Marathon is the best game ever, but I'm
: definitely absolutely positive that contemporary gaming SUCKS REALLY BAD
: compared to how things were between, say, 1985 and 1995.

: Sure, graphics are better. Sure, sound is better. But it's just not fun to
: play games anymore. NetHack, Dark Castle, Shadowgate, Super Mario: these
: games were really fun and they lasted forever . Nowadays you can finish
: most (I didn't say all!) games in a weekend and even the ones that have
: good gameplay, can't compare to what gaming was like ten years ago and
: beyond. And NOBODY BUT ME SEEMS TO SEE IT OH MY GOD.

I don't think that games have necessarily gotten worse since the period you mentioned -- I think the ideas of an excellent game have just shifted. I will always say that Half-Life and HL2 are *amazing* FPS games. The exploration elements, the atmosphere, and most of all the puzzles are so much better than Marathon's. On the other hand, Marathon's combat is just so much more fun. Does that make Marathon better? Not really. I'd say they're about equal, but they cover different aspects of the FPS genre with different strength. I'd be mapping for Half-Life 2, but 1) my computer can't run it that well and 2) Forge is a lot easier than Hammer.

Of course, there are tons of games that are just generic crap -- but really, that's not any different than it was back between '85 and '95. Seriously! Look at the ginormous catalogue of NES games. Most of those were shit. A lot of SNES and Sega Genesis games were shit too. So were many cheap DOOM Clones. The list goes on.

But there are some incredible games out there to me. As has been stated, the GTA series is really a marvelous game, if you can get past all of the media drama. It's good old-fashioned carnage, just like Marathon, but presented much differently. The only reason we aren't still playing Vice City today is because San Andreas came out -- and that's equal parts milking a franchise and adding extra stuff. The GTA games don't have some deep, multi-layered backstory like the Marathon Trilogy does, but I submit to you that that doesn't contribute much to how long a game endures. If the game is no fun, then who cares how deep the story is? Similarly, if the game is a blast, nobody worries too much about the generic plot. See: Resident Evil 4 (it won GOTY 2005 for a damn good reason!).

Ultimately, I'd say that you're too swayed by most of the generic, mainstream crap to dig around a little bit and find the gold. It shines just as brightly as it did back in December 1994.

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is the forum dying?Nicholai 3/10/07 6:48 a.m.
     Re: is the forum dying?D-M.A. 3/10/07 8:26 a.m.
     Re: is the forum dying?kyjel 3/10/07 9:19 a.m.
           I really hope so! *NM*Nicholai 3/10/07 10:42 a.m.
     Re: is the forum dying?SnowCrash 3/10/07 9:22 a.m.
           Re: is the forum dying?Nicholai 3/10/07 10:44 a.m.
     Re: is the forum dying?Tyler 3/10/07 9:47 a.m.
           Re: is the forum dying?D-M.A. 3/10/07 10:13 a.m.
                 Re: is the forum dying?Nicholai 3/10/07 11:03 a.m.
           your reply almost made me cry! 8^DNicholai 3/10/07 10:41 a.m.
                 Cute.RyokoTK 3/11/07 10:43 p.m.
                       Well...RyokoTK 3/11/07 10:44 p.m.
                       Re: Cute.mitchellan 3/12/07 5:59 a.m.
                             Re: Cute.thermoplyae 3/12/07 10:10 a.m.
                                   Re: Cute.treellama 3/12/07 10:28 a.m.
                             Nauseated, not nauseous. :) *NM*RyokoTK 3/12/07 10:38 a.m.
                                   Whoops! ;) *NM*mitchellan 3/13/07 5:58 a.m.
                       Re: Cute.Vid Boi 3/17/07 4:54 a.m.
                             Re: Cute.Forrest of B.org 3/19/07 8:30 a.m.
                                   Re: Cute.Nicholai 3/19/07 11:38 a.m.
                                         Re: Cute.RyokoTK 3/20/07 12:03 p.m.
                                               Re: Cute.AfroRyan 3/20/07 12:52 p.m.
                                                     Well...MrHen 3/20/07 1:02 p.m.
                                                           Re: Well...My Name 3/30/07 8:23 p.m.
                                                           Re: Well...AfroRyan 4/2/07 12:55 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Well...RyokoTK 4/2/07 1:50 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Well...AfroRyan 4/3/07 6:22 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Well...RyokoTK 4/3/07 7:59 a.m.
                                   Re: Cute.thermoplyae 3/19/07 1:31 p.m.
                                   well, I guess my topic brought some to the forum *NM*Nicholai 3/20/07 9:16 a.m.
                                         some talk confirming that no one talks? *NM*thermoplyae 3/20/07 3:04 p.m.
                                               Talk about being not dead...Forrest of B.org 3/20/07 8:43 p.m.
                                                     Re: Talk about being not dead...Tyler 3/21/07 5:46 p.m.
                                                           Re: Talk about being not dead...D-M.A. 3/21/07 8:04 p.m.
                                                     Re: Talk about being not dead...Nicholai 3/22/07 7:27 p.m.
                                                           Re: Talk about being not dead...thermoplyae 3/22/07 9:19 p.m.
                                                     Re: Talk about being not dead...My Name 3/24/07 3:49 a.m.
                                   Re: Cute.Vid Boi 3/23/07 2:45 a.m.
                                         Nah, I agree.MrHen 3/23/07 5:52 a.m.
                                               Re: Nah, I agree.thermoplyae 3/23/07 7:35 a.m.
                                                     PuzzlesMrHen 3/23/07 1:19 p.m.
                                         Re: Cute.Nicholai 3/23/07 6:58 a.m.
                                               Re: Cute.thermoplyae 3/23/07 7:38 a.m.
                                                     Re: Cute.D-M.A. 3/23/07 8:50 a.m.
                                                           Re: Cute.Tyler 3/23/07 1:29 p.m.
                                                     Re: Cute.Nicholai 3/23/07 9:46 p.m.
                                               Re: Cute.Aaron Sikes 3/23/07 7:58 a.m.
                                               Re: Cute.MrHen 3/23/07 1:29 p.m.
                                                     wooooooo FFX *NM*thermoplyae 3/23/07 5:22 p.m.
                                                     Re: Cute.Nicholai 3/23/07 9:36 p.m.
                                         Times have changed.RyokoTK 3/25/07 7:05 p.m.
                                               Re: Times have changed.thermoplyae 3/25/07 10:12 p.m.
                                               Re: Times have changed.Johannes Gunnar 3/25/07 10:42 p.m.
                                               Re: Times have changed.rampancy 3/26/07 12:33 a.m.
                                                     Re: Times have changed.Andromeda_5[Kilo] 3/26/07 6:04 a.m.
                                                     Re: Times have changed.My Name 3/30/07 8:16 p.m.
                                               Re: Times have changed.Nicholai 3/26/07 6:29 p.m.
                                                     Re: Times have changed.RyokoTK 3/27/07 8:59 p.m.
                                                           Re: Times have changed.Forrest of B.org 3/28/07 12:18 a.m.
                                                           Re: Times have changed.Nicholai 3/28/07 10:22 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Times have changed.RyokoTK 4/2/07 8:44 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Times have changed.Nicholai 4/2/07 10:42 a.m.
                                                                             uh...MrHen 4/2/07 1:28 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: uh...Nicholai 4/3/07 7:29 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Times have changed.RyokoTK 4/2/07 1:47 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Times have changed.Nicholai 4/3/07 7:20 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Times have changed.RyokoTK 4/3/07 8:03 p.m.
                                                                                               The Xbox was basically a failureMrHen 4/4/07 1:06 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: The Xbox was basically a failureRyokoTK 4/4/07 2:40 p.m.
                                                                                                           oh, right, graphics...MrHen 4/5/07 1:57 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: The Xbox was basically a failureShoeless 4/5/07 12:29 p.m.
                                                                                                           Hm, cool link. *NM*MrHen 4/5/07 1:56 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: The Xbox was basically a failureNicholai 4/5/07 2:29 p.m.
                                                                                         GC vs. PS2 vs. XboxMrHen 4/4/07 1:02 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Times have changed.AfroRyan 4/2/07 1:27 p.m.
                                                                       I remember Crazy Taxi... that game was fun. :) *NM*MrHen 4/3/07 1:01 p.m.
                                                                             agreed *NM*Nicholai 4/3/07 7:30 p.m.
     stop asking this question alreadythermoplyae 3/10/07 11:03 a.m.
           blehMrHen 3/11/07 9:17 a.m.
                 Re: blehthermoplyae 3/11/07 9:32 a.m.
                       Re: blehForrest of B.org 3/11/07 10:47 a.m.
                             Re: blehthermoplyae 3/11/07 12:55 p.m.
                                   Re: blehAaron Sikes 3/11/07 5:42 p.m.
                             What about HBO?Nicholai 3/11/07 7:12 p.m.
                                   Re: What about HBO?Forrest of B.org 3/11/07 10:15 p.m.
           Re: stop asking this question alreadygoran 3/12/07 8:59 a.m.
                 download numbers...MrHen 3/12/07 9:39 a.m.
                 Re: stop asking this question alreadythermoplyae 3/12/07 10:09 a.m.
                 Re: stop asking this question alreadyRyokoTK 3/12/07 10:59 a.m.
     Re: is the forum dying?mitchellan 3/10/07 2:07 p.m.
     Re: is the forum dying?My Name 3/30/07 8:43 p.m.
           Re: is the forum dying?Nicholai 3/31/07 7:21 a.m.
                 well, this must be one of longest threads, right?Nicholai 4/1/07 9:05 p.m.
                       Re: well, this must be one of longest threads, rigukimalefu 4/2/07 11:48 p.m.
                             you said it amigo!!!! *NM*Nicholai 4/3/07 7:31 p.m.

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