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Posted By: Forrest of B.org Date: 5/11/04 6:02 p.m.
In Response To: Hypothetical (Yossarian)

: I just thought up a mediocre question and was wondering of what some of you
: might think.
: Who controls Marathon canon? Is it Bungie, or the crew that worked at Bungie
: that actually created Marathon back in the day?
: The following is purely hypothetical, so I don't want to hear any noise about
: how it ain't gonna happen because I know it is not going to happen.
: Okay. Ahem.
: What would you lend more credit to: 1. A Marathon 4 created by Bungie Studios
: *minus* Jason and Robt.
: OR,
: 2. A Marathon TC created by Wideload, possibly *with* Jason and Robt and any
: other old-school Bungites that migrated to MS.
: Again, please don't remind me of how impossible this is, rather discuss to
: which you would put more faith in as "the true sequel". Feel
: free to throw in your own curveballs as to why/why not one or the other
: and any other interesting variables you can conjure.
: Otherwise keep on rocking.
: Yossarian
I would like to crosspost something that we worked up after the Myth 3 canon debates over at the Asylum. These are the generally accepted "canon scales" we use for determining what information takes precedence over another, since Myth "canon" now contains so much contradictory information.
For the purpose of these scales, "authors" means the PEOPLE who were involved with the writing of the story, or their agents, NOT the company whose name was on the original product.
Category 1: "Canon"
Subcategory A: "Release Materials"
Information from materials publically released by the authors.
Subcategory B: "Transrelease Materials"
Information that exists BOTH in prerelease and postreleast materials (see Category 2 below).
Category 2: "Pseudocanon"
Subcategory A: "Prerelease Materials"
Information from materials released prior to released materials, either promotionally or just leaked.
Subcategory B: "Postrelease Materials"
Information from author-approved 3rd party products released as tie-ins to released materials.
Category 3: "Noncanon"
Subcategory A: "Legal Canon"
Information from materials released by an entity that legally owns the franchise but is not the author.
Subcategory B: "De Facto Canon"
Information construed from the above sources by logical argument and generally accepted by the fans.
Within each of these categories, materials released later are considered "more canon", and within concurrent packaged materials (ie a game and it's manual) digital materials are considered "newer" than printed ones because they are easier to make last-minute changes in.
So by these scales, a Marathon sequel (they'd have to go back and do Marathon 3 before they could do Marathon 4, mind) created by the original Bungie team who created the first games, even if they no longer worked at Bungie, would be more canon than something made by Bungie today, IF Jason and Rob weren't involved. Having the team split between the two makes it all kinda iffy now... but I think having some team members at the original company gets more cred than some team members at another company. That wasn't your question, though.
So uh... to make sure your scantron gets this right:
(2)
:-)

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Hypothetical Yossarian 5/11/04 5:43 p.m.

Fobo's World Famous Olde Tyme Canon Categories Forrest of B.org 5/11/04 6:02 p.m.

Re: Fobo's World Famous Olde Tyme Canon Categories Ernie 5/12/04 3:44 p.m.

Re: Fobo's World Famous Olde Tyme Canon Categories Mista_B 5/12/04 5:03 p.m.

Re: Fobo's World Famous Olde Tyme Canon Categories Wintermute 5/14/04 2:45 a.m.

Re: Hypothetical ukimalefu 5/11/04 7:05 p.m.

Re: Hypothetical Mista_B 5/11/04 8:15 p.m.

Re: Hypothetical Yossarian 5/12/04 4:47 a.m.

Re: Hypothetical Bob-B-Q 5/12/04 5:02 a.m.

Re: Hypothetical Yossarian 5/12/04 6:18 a.m.

Re: Hypothetical the Battle Cat 5/12/04 6:29 a.m.

Re: Hypothetical Steve Levinson 5/12/04 4:10 p.m.

Re: Hypothetical Mista_B 5/12/04 5:02 p.m.

Re: Hypothetical Yossarian 5/12/04 5:09 p.m.

Re: Hypothetical ukimalefu 5/12/04 6:14 p.m.

Re: Hypothetical Steve Levinson 5/12/04 10:17 p.m.

Re: Hypothetical Forrest of B.org 5/13/04 7:57 a.m.

Re: Hypothetical Andrew Nagy 5/12/04 7:39 p.m.

Re: Hypothetical Forrest of B.org 5/12/04 9:09 p.m.

Re: Hypothetical Mista_B 5/12/04 9:26 p.m.

Re: Hypothetical Forrest of B.org 5/13/04 7:52 a.m.

Re: Hypothetical Andrew Nagy 7/5/06 12:28 p.m.

Re: Hypothetical Forrest of B.org 7/5/06 1:40 p.m.

Re: Hypothetical Andrew Nagy 7/5/06 5:17 p.m.

Re: Hypothetical Vid Boi 7/5/06 11:42 p.m.

Re: Hypothetical Forrest of B.org 7/6/06 7:05 a.m.

Re: Hypothetical Andrew Nagy 7/6/06 8:25 a.m.

Re: Hypothetical Deathmonger 7/7/06 2:36 p.m.

Re: Hypothetical Forrest of B.org 7/8/06 9:17 a.m.

Re: Hypothetical Andrew Nagy 7/9/06 6:30 p.m.

Re: Hypothetical Deathmonger 7/9/06 7:49 p.m.

Re: Hypothetical D-M.A. 7/10/06 3:47 a.m.

Re: Hypothetical Vid Boi 5/13/04 8:10 a.m.

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: I would like to crosspost something that we worked up after the Myth 3 canon : debates over at the Asylum. These are the generally accepted "canon : scales" we use for determining what information takes precedence over : another, since Myth "canon" now contains so much contradictory : information. : For the purpose of these scales, "authors" means the PEOPLE who : were involved with the writing of the story, or their agents, NOT the : company whose name was on the original product. : Category 1: "Canon" : Subcategory A: "Release Materials" : Information from materials publically released by the authors. : Subcategory B: "Transrelease Materials" : Information that exists BOTH in prerelease and postreleast materials (see : Category 2 below). : Category 2: "Pseudocanon" : Subcategory A: "Prerelease Materials" : Information from materials released prior to released materials, either : promotionally or just leaked. : Subcategory B: "Postrelease Materials" : Information from author-approved 3rd party products released as tie-ins to : released materials. : Category 3: "Noncanon" : Subcategory A: "Legal Canon" : Information from materials released by an entity that legally owns the : franchise but is not the author. : Subcategory B: "De Facto Canon" : Information construed from the above sources by logical argument and : generally accepted by the fans. : Within each of these categories, materials released later are considered : "more canon", and within concurrent packaged materials (ie a : game and it's manual) digital materials are considered "newer" : than printed ones because they are easier to make last-minute changes in. : So by these scales, a Marathon sequel (they'd have to go back and do Marathon : 3 before they could do Marathon 4, mind) created by the original Bungie : team who created the first games, even if they no longer worked at Bungie, : would be more canon than something made by Bungie today, IF Jason and Rob : weren't involved. Having the team split between the two makes it all kinda : iffy now... but I think having some team members at the original company : gets more cred than some team members at another company. That wasn't your : question, though. : So uh... to make sure your scantron gets this right: (2)

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Hypothetical	Yossarian	5/11/04 5:43 p.m.
Fobo's World Famous Olde Tyme Canon Categories	Forrest of B.org	5/11/04 6:02 p.m.
Re: Fobo's World Famous Olde Tyme Canon Categories	Ernie	5/12/04 3:44 p.m.
Re: Fobo's World Famous Olde Tyme Canon Categories	Mista_B	5/12/04 5:03 p.m.
Re: Fobo's World Famous Olde Tyme Canon Categories	Wintermute	5/14/04 2:45 a.m.
Re: Hypothetical	ukimalefu	5/11/04 7:05 p.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Mista_B	5/11/04 8:15 p.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Yossarian	5/12/04 4:47 a.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Bob-B-Q	5/12/04 5:02 a.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Yossarian	5/12/04 6:18 a.m.
Re: Hypothetical	the Battle Cat	5/12/04 6:29 a.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Steve Levinson	5/12/04 4:10 p.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Mista_B	5/12/04 5:02 p.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Yossarian	5/12/04 5:09 p.m.
Re: Hypothetical	ukimalefu	5/12/04 6:14 p.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Steve Levinson	5/12/04 10:17 p.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Forrest of B.org	5/13/04 7:57 a.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Andrew Nagy	5/12/04 7:39 p.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Forrest of B.org	5/12/04 9:09 p.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Mista_B	5/12/04 9:26 p.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Forrest of B.org	5/13/04 7:52 a.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Andrew Nagy	7/5/06 12:28 p.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Forrest of B.org	7/5/06 1:40 p.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Andrew Nagy	7/5/06 5:17 p.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Vid Boi	7/5/06 11:42 p.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Forrest of B.org	7/6/06 7:05 a.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Andrew Nagy	7/6/06 8:25 a.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Deathmonger	7/7/06 2:36 p.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Forrest of B.org	7/8/06 9:17 a.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Andrew Nagy	7/9/06 6:30 p.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Deathmonger	7/9/06 7:49 p.m.
Re: Hypothetical	D-M.A.	7/10/06 3:47 a.m.
Re: Hypothetical	Vid Boi	5/13/04 8:10 a.m.



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