For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Machines


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For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Machines

Posted By: Wejam the Carter Date: 2/11/05 7:37 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines (Kalin Ambrose)

: The Dreadnaughts may not be machines, but that doesn't automatically make the
: Hunters such.
Just so we're all on the same page, you're talking about Juggernauts right? I don't recall fighting any Dreadnaughts in the Game, unless were're talking about an actual Battle ship like K'fiva. Besides if Juggernauts do indeed require a pilot, why wouldn't Pfhor armor suits which, for reasons I'll explain below, are far more complex?
The gooey stuff could easily be oil
Then why don't the other Non-organic machines produce a similar goo?
and we must remember
: that there were deactivated Hunters in "Pfhor Your Eyes Only..."
: which makes me think they are waiting to be turned on.
The actual name given for that sprite, according to the Marathon Shapes Editer (may not be the exact name) is "Empty Armor" . So that's probably what Bungie intended it to represent. It is interesting however that Bungie made an independent sprite for this in M1, but in M? they sacrificed actual Hunters to reprensent empty or deactivated armor, complete with explosive effects and blood. This is just my cynical nature but personally I always wrote that off as laziness and/or carelessness on Bungie's part.
Also under the
: Pfhor section someone mentioned the terminal that includes the words
: "Have you tried your new fusion gun against the armored Pfhor hunters
: yet? My S'pht rebuilt it with the sole purpose of short- circuiting
: Pfhor-built machinery." That may be the strongest evidence really for
: the mechanized Hunters idea.
Yes but if you remember the Fusion gun has roughly the same effect on Vac-Bobs which, I'm sure we can all agree are not Machines. Admittedly I'm pretty sure the Bobs don't have the same, if any shrapnel effect when going in into hard death, but Have much heavier armor combined with an integrated shoulder cannon which probably contains its own power source.
Also I'm pretty sure I've said this before somewhere, but I think it should also be considered that if indeed Hunters are machines, they are completely unlike any other machines produced by the Pfhor. The claim seems to be that Hunters are androids (Robots made to look like a man…er, or a Pfhor). With the possible exception of Simulacrums there are no other Pfhor build machines that utilize Bipedal movement. Drones and Juggies hover, while Cyborgs use a tank tread pretty primative modes of conveiance compaired to considerably more complex coordination and balance necessary for controlling two legs effectively. We already know the Pfhor where not at the top of their game as far as AI is concerned, but even if they were able to create an AI for a robot Hunter what would be the point when they can just strap a living, breathing, and most importantly thinking, Pfhor into some high tech armor.
Also taking asthetics into account The hunter is a sleek, shiny well tailored killing "machine", while the Cyborg tank, which should be the technological peer of an eleged robot hunter, is a crude, unstable, malfunctioning abomination. How could the same army with the same technology create such fundementally different machines? Why make cyborgs at all when you could just outfit Hunterbots with the same weapons. It seems clear to me that the hunters are not machines, just heavily armored Pfhor.
I'm Almost out of Breath, here, so I'll wait for a response before get even further into this.
Drive Your Cart and Plow Over the Bones of the Dead Disscussion Topics
Wejam the Carter

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Hunters ARE Indeed Machines Kalin Ambrose 2/11/05 11:12 a.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines Steve Levinson 2/11/05 12:21 p.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines blake37 2/11/05 12:50 p.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines luke9 2/11/05 2:32 p.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines Kalin Ambrose 2/11/05 3:03 p.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines RyokoTK 2/11/05 3:52 p.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines Kalin Ambrose 2/11/05 4:14 p.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines blake37 2/11/05 4:42 p.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines thermoplyae 2/11/05 5:56 p.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines blake37 2/11/05 5:59 p.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines thermoplyae 2/12/05 11:14 a.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines The Wise Fool 7/13/05 4:50 p.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines eX brutaLis 7/13/05 6:49 p.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines Bob-B-Q 7/14/05 2:34 p.m.

Let this thread die Die DIE! *NM* Steve Levinson 7/14/05 3:53 p.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines eX brutaLis 7/14/05 8:30 p.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines me_43 7/15/05 12:17 a.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines eX brutaLis 7/15/05 11:32 a.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines thermoplyae 2/11/05 4:41 p.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines direct tv 3/6/05 7:14 a.m.

For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Machines Wejam the Carter 2/11/05 7:37 p.m.

Re: For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Mach Cheerful 2/11/05 9:09 p.m.

Re: For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Mach Forrest of B.org 2/11/05 10:13 p.m.

Re: For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Mach Kalin Ambrose 2/11/05 10:27 p.m.

Re: For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Mach Kalin Ambrose 2/11/05 10:38 p.m.

Re: For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Mach Wejam the Carter 2/12/05 9:47 a.m.

Re: For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Mach PfhorgetLeela 2/12/05 10:27 a.m.

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Re: For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Mach Jacke 2/12/05 12:29 a.m.

Re: For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Mach Tyler 2/12/05 11:14 a.m.

Re: For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Mach Sliver 2/24/05 12:10 a.m.

Interesting. *NM* Andrew Nagy 2/26/05 10:20 a.m.

Re: Interesting. sliver 3/8/05 11:34 a.m.

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Re: Interesting. Forrest of B.org 3/9/05 5:32 p.m.

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Re: Interesting. Bob-B-Q 3/10/05 3:22 a.m.

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Re: Interesting. Lunair 3/10/05 6:50 a.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines Vid Boi 2/14/05 12:16 p.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Machines Mister Chief 2/18/05 3:01 p.m.

Re: Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Machines tcm 2/18/05 3:09 p.m.

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: Just so we're all on the same page, you're talking about Juggernauts right? I : don't recall fighting any Dreadnaughts in the Game, unless were're talking : about an actual Battle ship like K'fiva. Besides if Juggernauts do indeed : require a pilot, why wouldn't Pfhor armor suits which, for reasons I'll : explain below, are far more complex? : The gooey stuff could easily be oil : Then why don't the other Non-organic machines produce a similar goo? : and we must remember : The actual name given for that sprite, according to the Marathon Shapes : Editer (may not be the exact name) is "Empty Armor" . So that's : probably what Bungie intended it to represent. It is interesting however : that Bungie made an independent sprite for this in M1, but in M? they : sacrificed actual Hunters to reprensent empty or deactivated armor, : complete with explosive effects and blood. This is just my cynical nature : but personally I always wrote that off as laziness and/or carelessness on : Bungie's part. : Also under the : Yes but if you remember the Fusion gun has roughly the same effect on : Vac-Bobs which, I'm sure we can all agree are not Machines. Admittedly I'm : pretty sure the Bobs don't have the same, if any shrapnel effect when : going in into hard death, but Have much heavier armor combined with an : integrated shoulder cannon which probably contains its own power source. : Also I'm pretty sure I've said this before somewhere, but I think it should : also be considered that if indeed Hunters are machines, they are : completely unlike any other machines produced by the Pfhor. The claim : seems to be that Hunters are androids (Robots made to look like a man…er, : or a Pfhor). With the possible exception of Simulacrums there are no other : Pfhor build machines that utilize Bipedal movement. Drones and Juggies : hover, while Cyborgs use a tank tread pretty primative modes of conveiance : compaired to considerably more complex coordination and balance necessary : for controlling two legs effectively. We already know the Pfhor where not : at the top of their game as far as AI is concerned, but even if they were : able to create an AI for a robot Hunter what would be the point when they : can just strap a living, breathing, and most importantly thinking, Pfhor : into some high tech armor. : Also taking asthetics into account The hunter is a sleek, shiny well tailored : killing "machine", while the Cyborg tank, which should be the : technological peer of an eleged robot hunter, is a crude, unstable, : malfunctioning abomination. How could the same army with the same : technology create such fundementally different machines? Why make cyborgs : at all when you could just outfit Hunterbots with the same weapons. It : seems clear to me that the hunters are not machines, just heavily armored : Pfhor. : I'm Almost out of Breath, here, so I'll wait for a response before get even : further into this. : Drive Your Cart and Plow Over the Bones of the Dead Disscussion Topics : Wejam the Carter

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Hunters ARE Indeed Machines	Kalin Ambrose	2/11/05 11:12 a.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines	Steve Levinson	2/11/05 12:21 p.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines	blake37	2/11/05 12:50 p.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines	luke9	2/11/05 2:32 p.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines	Kalin Ambrose	2/11/05 3:03 p.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines	RyokoTK	2/11/05 3:52 p.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines	Kalin Ambrose	2/11/05 4:14 p.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines	blake37	2/11/05 4:42 p.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines	thermoplyae	2/11/05 5:56 p.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines	blake37	2/11/05 5:59 p.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines	thermoplyae	2/12/05 11:14 a.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines	The Wise Fool	7/13/05 4:50 p.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines	eX brutaLis	7/13/05 6:49 p.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines	Bob-B-Q	7/14/05 2:34 p.m.
Let this thread die Die DIE! NM	Steve Levinson	7/14/05 3:53 p.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines	eX brutaLis	7/14/05 8:30 p.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines	me_43	7/15/05 12:17 a.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines	eX brutaLis	7/15/05 11:32 a.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines	thermoplyae	2/11/05 4:41 p.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines	direct tv	3/6/05 7:14 a.m.
For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Machines	Wejam the Carter	2/11/05 7:37 p.m.
Re: For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Mach	Cheerful	2/11/05 9:09 p.m.
Re: For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Mach	Forrest of B.org	2/11/05 10:13 p.m.
Re: For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Mach	Kalin Ambrose	2/11/05 10:27 p.m.
Re: For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Mach	Kalin Ambrose	2/11/05 10:38 p.m.
Re: For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Mach	Wejam the Carter	2/12/05 9:47 a.m.
Re: For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Mach	PfhorgetLeela	2/12/05 10:27 a.m.
Re: prisms!	•M	3/6/05 10:16 a.m.
Re: prisms!	Bob-B-Q	3/6/05 10:47 a.m.
Re: prisms!	Me_43	3/6/05 1:42 p.m.
Re: prisms!	Forrest of B.org	3/6/05 5:16 p.m.
Re: For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Mach	Jacke	2/12/05 12:29 a.m.
Re: For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Mach	Tyler	2/12/05 11:14 a.m.
Re: For the last time! Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Mach	Sliver	2/24/05 12:10 a.m.
Interesting. NM	Andrew Nagy	2/26/05 10:20 a.m.
Re: Interesting.	sliver	3/8/05 11:34 a.m.
Re: Interesting.	luke9	3/8/05 3:14 p.m.
Re: Interesting.	luke9	3/8/05 3:19 p.m.
Re: Interesting.	sliver	3/9/05 1:00 a.m.
Re: Interesting.	tcm	3/9/05 6:18 a.m.
Re: Interesting.	sliver	3/10/05 5:09 a.m.
Re: Interesting.	Andrew Nagy	3/9/05 6:21 a.m.
Re: Interesting.	Forrest of B.org	3/9/05 5:32 p.m.
Re: Interesting.	Forrest of B.org	3/9/05 5:33 p.m.
Re: Interesting.	Bob-B-Q	3/10/05 3:22 a.m.
Re: Interesting.	sliver	3/10/05 5:03 a.m.
Re: Interesting.	blake37	3/10/05 10:57 a.m.
Re: Interesting.	Andrew Nagy	3/9/05 8:48 p.m.
Re: Interesting.	Lunair	3/10/05 6:50 a.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed Machines	Vid Boi	2/14/05 12:16 p.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Machines	Mister Chief	2/18/05 3:01 p.m.
Re: Hunters ARE Indeed NOT Machines	tcm	2/18/05 3:09 p.m.



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	Message: : Just so we're all on the same page, you're talking about Juggernauts right? I : don't recall fighting any Dreadnaughts in the Game, unless were're talking : about an actual Battle ship like K'fiva. Besides if Juggernauts do indeed : require a pilot, why wouldn't Pfhor armor suits which, for reasons I'll : explain below, are far more complex? : The gooey stuff could easily be oil : Then why don't the other Non-organic machines produce a similar goo? : and we must remember : The actual name given for that sprite, according to the Marathon Shapes : Editer (may not be the exact name) is "Empty Armor" . So that's : probably what Bungie intended it to represent. It is interesting however : that Bungie made an independent sprite for this in M1, but in M? they : sacrificed actual Hunters to reprensent empty or deactivated armor, : complete with explosive effects and blood. This is just my cynical nature : but personally I always wrote that off as laziness and/or carelessness on : Bungie's part. : Also under the : Yes but if you remember the Fusion gun has roughly the same effect on : Vac-Bobs which, I'm sure we can all agree are not Machines. Admittedly I'm : pretty sure the Bobs don't have the same, if any shrapnel effect when : going in into hard death, but Have much heavier armor combined with an : integrated shoulder cannon which probably contains its own power source. : Also I'm pretty sure I've said this before somewhere, but I think it should : also be considered that if indeed Hunters are machines, they are : completely unlike any other machines produced by the Pfhor. The claim : seems to be that Hunters are androids (Robots made to look like a man…er, : or a Pfhor). With the possible exception of Simulacrums there are no other : Pfhor build machines that utilize Bipedal movement. Drones and Juggies : hover, while Cyborgs use a tank tread pretty primative modes of conveiance : compaired to considerably more complex coordination and balance necessary : for controlling two legs effectively. We already know the Pfhor where not : at the top of their game as far as AI is concerned, but even if they were : able to create an AI for a robot Hunter what would be the point when they : can just strap a living, breathing, and most importantly thinking, Pfhor : into some high tech armor. : Also taking asthetics into account The hunter is a sleek, shiny well tailored : killing "machine", while the Cyborg tank, which should be the : technological peer of an eleged robot hunter, is a crude, unstable, : malfunctioning abomination. How could the same army with the same : technology create such fundementally different machines? Why make cyborgs : at all when you could just outfit Hunterbots with the same weapons. It : seems clear to me that the hunters are not machines, just heavily armored : Pfhor. : I'm Almost out of Breath, here, so I'll wait for a response before get even : further into this. : Drive Your Cart and Plow Over the Bones of the Dead Disscussion Topics : Wejam the Carter
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