More pointless flames against Scumbag; ignore *NM*


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More pointless flames against Scumbag; ignore *NM*

Posted By: Andrew Nagy Date: 7/14/04 8:56 a.m.
In Response To: Too busy to quote everyone in different posts (Scumbag)

: Non-quantitive = irrelevent. Lots of people use non-quantitive things (like
: telling me System Shock 2 is a good game, hah) to explain away a complete
: lack of sales.
Amazing how you can tell exactly how good it SS2 without ever playing it. All you have to do is look at the decisions of millions of other gamers who never played it either. (We could have downloaded the demo, but I didn't, and I'm probably in the majority.)
If you're American, you must not be planning to vote this November either. Since the majority is always right, you wouldn't want your silly, non-quantitative opinion to interfere with their perfect decision.
: I've played computer games for quite a long time. But unlike some, when
: something new and better comes along, I have no problems with labeling
: what came before as inferior. Nostalgia or for those who can't - or won't
: - move on.
Except when the an game sells more than a new one. For example, Fugitive Hunter vs Quake 1, Aquaman vs Half-Life, or possibly Myth III vs Myth II. Aquaman wasn't bad because it was buggy, stupid and un-fun, it was bad because it didn't sell well.
So what if a newer game with sprite-based characters (like Myth II or Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds) outsold an older game with polygons (like Grim Fandango, Star Wars Force Commander, or Weekend Warrior)? Would you concede that the sprite-based game was better, or concede that people bought an inferior game?
The Gameboy Advance has always had nothing but old-school SNES-era games, like Doom, Mario, Sonic, Metroid, and Castlevania. You labeled those as inferior many years ago, but now they're back, and probably selling better than ever. That's a lot of people who can't - or won't - move on.
: Commercial products. Commercial judgement critera. Anything else is silly.
That's a glib wordplay, not a logical deduction.
And, just to be clear, it's obvious to everyone here at B'org that your judgement criteria are way sillier than ours.
What about a mod that requires a commercial game? How do you compare sales figures to download figures and determine which is better?

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Marathon standard I'm confused about Scumbag 7/10/04 11:00 a.m.

Re: Marathon standard I'm confused about Bob-B-Q 7/10/04 1:19 p.m.

Re: Marathon standard I'm confused about Forrest of B.org 7/10/04 1:23 p.m.

Re: Marathon standard I'm confused about Joshua Bell 7/10/04 1:26 p.m.

Re: Marathon standard I'm confused about ukimalefu 7/10/04 9:25 p.m.

Actually... Scumbag 7/11/04 9:28 p.m.

Re: Actually... Johannes Gunnar 7/12/04 6:15 a.m.

Re: Actually... Steve Levinson 7/12/04 9:07 a.m.

Re: Actually... Yossarian 7/12/04 9:12 a.m.

Re: Actually... Steve Levinson 7/12/04 10:12 a.m.

Re: Actually... •M 7/12/04 12:28 p.m.

Re: Actually... Forrest of B.org 7/12/04 10:07 p.m.

Re: Marathon standard I'm confused about Andrew Nagy 7/13/04 11:04 a.m.

Re: Marathon standard I'm confused about Johannes Gunnar 7/13/04 2:19 p.m.

Response to everyone above Scumbag 7/13/04 4:21 p.m.

Oh, and some other things Scumbag 7/13/04 4:24 p.m.

You done it now... *NM* deathmonger 7/13/04 5:14 p.m.

Re: You done it now... Andrew Nagy 7/13/04 5:37 p.m.

NO POINT, I said. *NM* Andrew Nagy 7/14/04 7:24 a.m.

I agree, but who are you to ORDER us not to reply? *NM* Steve Levinson 7/14/04 8:10 a.m.

I'm Rick James, biotch. *NM* Andrew Nagy 7/14/04 9:02 a.m.

Re: I'm Rick James, biotch. Mark Levin 7/14/04 9:39 a.m.

Well, no. *NM* Andrew Nagy 7/14/04 10:26 a.m.

Re: I'm Rick James, biotch. Andrew Nagy 8/5/04 8:24 p.m.

Re: Oh, and some other things Forrest of B.org 7/13/04 5:53 p.m.

Too busy to quote everyone in different posts Scumbag 7/13/04 9:53 p.m.

Re: Too busy to quote everyone in different posts HolyMcGibblets 7/13/04 10:20 p.m.

Re: Too busy to quote everyone in different posts Forrest of B.org 7/14/04 7:49 a.m.

Re: Too busy to quote everyone in different posts HolyMcGibblets 7/14/04 1:40 p.m.

Re: Too busy to quote everyone in different posts Count Zero 7/13/04 10:54 p.m.

Let's give this guy a break, but watch your words Steve Levinson 7/14/04 8:27 a.m.

More pointless flames against Scumbag; ignore *NM* Andrew Nagy 7/14/04 8:56 a.m.

Another question Andrew Nagy 7/14/04 9:12 a.m.

Marathon: Resurrection! *NM* Andrew Nagy 7/15/04 2:09 a.m.

Just to clarify the numbers game Steve Levinson 7/13/04 5:57 p.m.

Re: Oh, and some other things Syngekhoomei 7/13/04 9:02 p.m.

Re: Oh, and some other things ukimalefu 7/14/04 1:04 a.m.

Re: Oh, and some other things Johannes Gunnar 7/14/04 4:54 a.m.

Re: Oh, and some other things Lt Devon 7/15/04 4:57 p.m.

Re: Oh, and some other things Simon of team Sigma 7/15/04 6:05 p.m.

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: Amazing how you can tell exactly how good it SS2 without ever playing it. All : you have to do is look at the decisions of millions of other gamers who : never played it either. (We could have downloaded the demo, but I didn't, : and I'm probably in the majority.) : If you're American, you must not be planning to vote this November either. : Since the majority is always right, you wouldn't want your silly, : non-quantitative opinion to interfere with their perfect decision. : Except when the an game sells more than a new one. For example, Fugitive : Hunter vs Quake 1, Aquaman vs Half-Life, or possibly Myth III vs Myth II. : Aquaman wasn't bad because it was buggy, stupid and un-fun, it was bad : because it didn't sell well. : So what if a newer game with sprite-based characters (like Myth II or Star : Wars Galactic Battlegrounds) outsold an older game with polygons (like : Grim Fandango, Star Wars Force Commander, or Weekend Warrior)? Would you : concede that the sprite-based game was better, or concede that people : bought an inferior game? : The Gameboy Advance has always had nothing but old-school SNES-era games, : like Doom, Mario, Sonic, Metroid, and Castlevania. You labeled those as : inferior many years ago, but now they're back, and probably selling better : than ever. That's a lot of people who can't - or won't - move on. : That's a glib wordplay, not a logical deduction. : And, just to be clear, it's obvious to everyone here at B'org that your : judgement criteria are way sillier than ours. : What about a mod that requires a commercial game? How do you compare sales : figures to download figures and determine which is better?

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Marathon standard I'm confused about	Scumbag	7/10/04 11:00 a.m.
Re: Marathon standard I'm confused about	Bob-B-Q	7/10/04 1:19 p.m.
Re: Marathon standard I'm confused about	Forrest of B.org	7/10/04 1:23 p.m.
Re: Marathon standard I'm confused about	Joshua Bell	7/10/04 1:26 p.m.
Re: Marathon standard I'm confused about	ukimalefu	7/10/04 9:25 p.m.
Actually...	Scumbag	7/11/04 9:28 p.m.
Re: Actually...	Johannes Gunnar	7/12/04 6:15 a.m.
Re: Actually...	Steve Levinson	7/12/04 9:07 a.m.
Re: Actually...	Yossarian	7/12/04 9:12 a.m.
Re: Actually...	Steve Levinson	7/12/04 10:12 a.m.
Re: Actually...	•M	7/12/04 12:28 p.m.
Re: Actually...	Forrest of B.org	7/12/04 10:07 p.m.
Re: Marathon standard I'm confused about	Andrew Nagy	7/13/04 11:04 a.m.
Re: Marathon standard I'm confused about	Johannes Gunnar	7/13/04 2:19 p.m.
Response to everyone above	Scumbag	7/13/04 4:21 p.m.
Oh, and some other things	Scumbag	7/13/04 4:24 p.m.
You done it now... NM	deathmonger	7/13/04 5:14 p.m.
Re: You done it now...	Andrew Nagy	7/13/04 5:37 p.m.
NO POINT, I said. NM	Andrew Nagy	7/14/04 7:24 a.m.
I agree, but who are you to ORDER us not to reply? NM	Steve Levinson	7/14/04 8:10 a.m.
I'm Rick James, biotch. NM	Andrew Nagy	7/14/04 9:02 a.m.
Re: I'm Rick James, biotch.	Mark Levin	7/14/04 9:39 a.m.
Well, no. NM	Andrew Nagy	7/14/04 10:26 a.m.
Re: I'm Rick James, biotch.	Andrew Nagy	8/5/04 8:24 p.m.
Re: Oh, and some other things	Forrest of B.org	7/13/04 5:53 p.m.
Too busy to quote everyone in different posts	Scumbag	7/13/04 9:53 p.m.
Re: Too busy to quote everyone in different posts	HolyMcGibblets	7/13/04 10:20 p.m.
Re: Too busy to quote everyone in different posts	Forrest of B.org	7/14/04 7:49 a.m.
Re: Too busy to quote everyone in different posts	HolyMcGibblets	7/14/04 1:40 p.m.
Re: Too busy to quote everyone in different posts	Count Zero	7/13/04 10:54 p.m.
Let's give this guy a break, but watch your words	Steve Levinson	7/14/04 8:27 a.m.
More pointless flames against Scumbag; ignore NM	Andrew Nagy	7/14/04 8:56 a.m.
Another question	Andrew Nagy	7/14/04 9:12 a.m.
Marathon: Resurrection! NM	Andrew Nagy	7/15/04 2:09 a.m.
Just to clarify the numbers game	Steve Levinson	7/13/04 5:57 p.m.
Re: Oh, and some other things	Syngekhoomei	7/13/04 9:02 p.m.
Re: Oh, and some other things	ukimalefu	7/14/04 1:04 a.m.
Re: Oh, and some other things	Johannes Gunnar	7/14/04 4:54 a.m.
Re: Oh, and some other things	Lt Devon	7/15/04 4:57 p.m.
Re: Oh, and some other things	Simon of team Sigma	7/15/04 6:05 p.m.



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