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Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons
Posted By: Jabberwok <funkycaribou@aim.com>	Date: 2/10/13 5:31 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons (Ragashingo) I agree. And, in fact, the first game didn't balance between human and covenant, and it made tactics for the two factions work much differently. And it actually made a lot of sense, because the Covenant's arsenal was built around medium and close range fighting that required them to rely on their superiority, and didn't give them access to sneaky tactics like sniping, tactics the humans relied on to fight back. Adding new troop types for enemies in later games was definitely a good thing, but keeping the different weapon sets equivalent doesn't seem necessary. One of the great things about the Flood in previous games is that fighting them feels completely different from fighting the Covenant, and requires completely different tactics and weaponry. The Prometheans don't really have the same degree of contrast. This is sort of a tangent, but part of the problem may be the similarity of their weapons. Maybe that's why I find them a little bit boring to fight. It doesn't help that there is only one variety of each enemy type, whereas most of the Covenant species have a bunch of different ranks and configurations. I'm hoping whatever Forerunner stuff appears in the next game, enemies and weapons both, has a larger degree of uniqueness. For both of those, it seems like drastically increasing power and rarity might be an interesting way to go. : Making most of the Halo 4 Forerunner weapons hard light was counter to : everything I thought about the Forerunner. They were the masters of : Slipspace travel, teleportation, and long range super weapons. How that : got eventually translated to self dissolving space bullets seems weird to : me. We're talking about the people who built superstructures that remained : powered and operational for a hundred thousand years using guns that run : out of ammo in a few seconds. In my idealized, pre-Forerunner novels, : pre-Halo 4 world it would be more like this: Pre-Flood Forerunner weapons : would be designed to provide the Forerunner soldier or starship with an : insane level of safety through superior technology. Their weapons would be : ultra precision based, would be designed to keep them out of range of : their enemy. They'd be powerful not so much in total destructive power but : in their ability to stop whatever conventional enemy was trying to attack : them. War to the Forerunner would be as much a science as anything else. : Doing more harm than necessary would be distasteful. : Post-Flood discovery Forerunner weapons would have to have changed. Ultra : precision doesn't work on something that rearranges cells, that grows : redundancy, that gets back up. Range doesn't work on an enemy that : overwhelms you by being everywhere. Post-Flood weapons would focus on area : of effect and dismemberment, be it by disintegration or more conventional : effects. They'd also self destruct when dropped. No sense in giving the : Flood more firepower. : How you implement these in game is tough, of course. Though maybe that's : another of Halo 4's sins? Why are the three faction's weapons balanced at : all? In Halo fiction the Humans could usually pull off a ground victory : through tactics and weapons that were good enough. In space the Covenant : had clearly superior offensive and defensive capabilities that maybe : didn't scale down as well to a soldier's level. The Forerunner would : surpass them in both cases by a wide margin. In game Human weapons would : be the defaults, the ones you see the most and the easiest to use in a : variety of situations. Covenant weapons would be less flexible but more : powerful if used right, and Forerunner weapons either, pre or post Flood, : would all be power weapons that you very rarely see. : And yeah, making all that work and be fun to play would be hard, but that's : what a big budget is for. :p

Message Index

Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	Jabberwok	2/10/13 2:00 p.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	Seraph xxvii	2/10/13 3:45 p.m.
Ah. Weapon redundancy.	Gravemind	2/10/13 3:53 p.m.
Re: Ah. Weapon redundancy.	Jabberwok	2/10/13 4:33 p.m.
Yeah *sigh*	SonGoharotto	2/10/13 4:08 p.m.
It's worse than that.	Quirel	2/10/13 4:10 p.m.
Even worser	scarab	2/10/13 4:16 p.m.
Re: Even worser	Quirel	2/10/13 4:30 p.m.
Re: Even worser	Jabberwok	2/10/13 4:47 p.m.
Re: Even worser	RC Master	2/10/13 5:10 p.m.
Re: Even worser	Quirel	2/10/13 5:13 p.m.
Re: Even worser	RC Master	2/10/13 5:18 p.m.
It's so not cool	scarab	2/10/13 7:25 p.m.
That it ain't.	Quirel	2/10/13 7:42 p.m.
Re: That it ain't.	Jabberwok	2/10/13 7:55 p.m.
Re: That it ain't.	RC Master	2/10/13 8:04 p.m.
Re: That it ain't.	Quirel	2/10/13 8:13 p.m.
Re: Even worser	Jabberwok	2/10/13 5:34 p.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	serpx	2/10/13 4:49 p.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	Jabberwok	2/10/13 4:53 p.m.
well if you want different...	scarab	2/10/13 7:38 p.m.
Re: well if you want different...	Jabberwok	2/10/13 7:49 p.m.
If that happens: see a doctor!	scarab	2/11/13 1:51 a.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	serpx	2/10/13 4:55 p.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	Ragashingo	2/10/13 5:02 p.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	Jabberwok	2/10/13 5:31 p.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	Jabberwok	2/10/13 5:51 p.m.
Forerunner Units	Ragashingo	2/10/13 6:51 p.m.
Re: Forerunner Units	Jabberwok	2/10/13 7:23 p.m.
Re: Forerunner Units	RC Master	2/10/13 7:58 p.m.
Re: Forerunner Units	Ragashingo	2/10/13 8:41 p.m.
Re: Forerunner Units	SonGoharotto	2/10/13 8:40 p.m.
Re: Forerunner Units	Quirel	2/11/13 3:40 p.m.
One more thing: weapon shelves	Dervish	2/10/13 5:16 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	serpx	2/10/13 5:40 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/10/13 7:43 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	scarab	2/10/13 7:46 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	Cody Miller	2/10/13 8:26 p.m.
Two different balances	scarab	2/11/13 2:06 a.m.
Re: Two different balances	yakaman	2/11/13 1:26 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	Jabberwok	2/11/13 2:40 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	Gravemind	2/11/13 3:00 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	yakaman	2/11/13 6:41 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	Jabberwok	2/11/13 9:41 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	uberfoop	2/11/13 4:00 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	yakaman	2/11/13 6:32 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	uberfoop	2/11/13 9:32 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	Jabberwok	2/11/13 10:01 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	uberfoop	2/11/13 10:05 p.m.
Theory of Mind	scarab	2/12/13 9:51 a.m.
Re: Two different balances	Jabberwok	2/11/13 9:52 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	Leviathan	2/10/13 9:13 p.m.
You can't balance muskets with AK-47s	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	2/11/13 6:54 p.m.
Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Quirel	2/11/13 7:38 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Bry	2/11/13 7:46 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	ZackDark	2/11/13 8:07 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	uberfoop	2/11/13 9:09 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Bry	2/11/13 9:28 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Quirel	2/12/13 1:46 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Bry	2/12/13 3:38 p.m.
Does every Marine carry a rocket launcher?	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	2/11/13 9:06 p.m.
Do Hunters carry assault rifles?	Quirel	2/12/13 2:04 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Metalingus627	2/11/13 9:12 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Quirel	2/12/13 1:49 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	thebruce0	2/12/13 4:58 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Jabberwok	2/12/13 8:11 p.m.
Re: You can't balance muskets with AK-47s	Jabberwok	2/11/13 10:24 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	Jabberwok	2/10/13 5:46 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	7he grunt w/a plasma pistol	2/10/13 8:19 p.m.