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Re: Two different balances
Posted By: yakaman	Date: 2/11/13 6:32 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Two different balances (uberfoop) : Also, saying that Halo 1 did not include formal PvP MP makes me confused and : sad. When I say "formal", I mean "PvP multiplayer with stat-tracking and published statistics and MLG-type competitive requirements". Also, it was LAN-only, no? Never played on PC. : If the BR and DMR have had problems in campaign, it's probably a combination : of high-damage high-healh enemies that are dangerous to close in on, : combined with an ease of headshots and obnoxiously wimpy non-utility : weapons; it's an issue that goes way beyond the behaviour of those : particular guns. One notable thing about Halo's 1 and ODST is that enemy : damage tables are effectively reduced; as much as ODST advertized how : "weak" you supposedly are, the Rookie can take a beam rifle shot : to the face on legendary much better than, say, the Chief in Halo's 2 and : 3. It's also worth noting that Reach and Halo 4 scale enemy projectile : speed by difficulty to the point where even trying to dodge can get sort : of pointless at times. Beyong being blatantly stupid design for things : like Spartan Ops, this combines with the high damage tables to discourage : exciting movement. Halo 1 can feel almost Doom-ish at some times when : you're fighting the Flood, and if you can get into that sort of flow, the : Library becomes an absolutely awesome level. This is something that Halo 4 : cannot dream of. This touches on the source of the problem: escalation to serve MP game-play. Over time, we have been conditioned to play very carefully and more realistically: don't run across the map, don't stick your head out, don't you dare get caught without a place to fall back to. Stick to cover. Snipe (or semi-snipe) when you can. People have gotten so damn good with the precision weapons that they have effectively obsoleted everything else. If you include precision weapons in the toolbox, then you have to design encounters around them. Then, you have to give the bad guys precision weapons of their own, which often do much greater damage. So then the duck/cover/snipe paradigm begins to obsolete other encounters in SP just as in MP. Because people really get use to the precision weapons in MP they expect them in SP, and now encounters no longer even vaguely resemble the Halo 1 or ODST encounters. Yes - the Rookie in ODST could take a beam rifle shot to the head and shake it off. Totally unrealistic, but fun. Yes - the Chief could be one-shot by a Jackel in H2. More realistic, but mind-blowingly irritating. : //====== : Fun fact: Halo 1 actually has some subtly different behaviours between : campaign and MP weapons. :)

Message Index

Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	Jabberwok	2/10/13 2:00 p.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	Seraph xxvii	2/10/13 3:45 p.m.
Ah. Weapon redundancy.	Gravemind	2/10/13 3:53 p.m.
Re: Ah. Weapon redundancy.	Jabberwok	2/10/13 4:33 p.m.
Yeah *sigh*	SonGoharotto	2/10/13 4:08 p.m.
It's worse than that.	Quirel	2/10/13 4:10 p.m.
Even worser	scarab	2/10/13 4:16 p.m.
Re: Even worser	Quirel	2/10/13 4:30 p.m.
Re: Even worser	Jabberwok	2/10/13 4:47 p.m.
Re: Even worser	RC Master	2/10/13 5:10 p.m.
Re: Even worser	Quirel	2/10/13 5:13 p.m.
Re: Even worser	RC Master	2/10/13 5:18 p.m.
It's so not cool	scarab	2/10/13 7:25 p.m.
That it ain't.	Quirel	2/10/13 7:42 p.m.
Re: That it ain't.	Jabberwok	2/10/13 7:55 p.m.
Re: That it ain't.	RC Master	2/10/13 8:04 p.m.
Re: That it ain't.	Quirel	2/10/13 8:13 p.m.
Re: Even worser	Jabberwok	2/10/13 5:34 p.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	serpx	2/10/13 4:49 p.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	Jabberwok	2/10/13 4:53 p.m.
well if you want different...	scarab	2/10/13 7:38 p.m.
Re: well if you want different...	Jabberwok	2/10/13 7:49 p.m.
If that happens: see a doctor!	scarab	2/11/13 1:51 a.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	serpx	2/10/13 4:55 p.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	Ragashingo	2/10/13 5:02 p.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	Jabberwok	2/10/13 5:31 p.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	Jabberwok	2/10/13 5:51 p.m.
Forerunner Units	Ragashingo	2/10/13 6:51 p.m.
Re: Forerunner Units	Jabberwok	2/10/13 7:23 p.m.
Re: Forerunner Units	RC Master	2/10/13 7:58 p.m.
Re: Forerunner Units	Ragashingo	2/10/13 8:41 p.m.
Re: Forerunner Units	SonGoharotto	2/10/13 8:40 p.m.
Re: Forerunner Units	Quirel	2/11/13 3:40 p.m.
One more thing: weapon shelves	Dervish	2/10/13 5:16 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	serpx	2/10/13 5:40 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/10/13 7:43 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	scarab	2/10/13 7:46 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	Cody Miller	2/10/13 8:26 p.m.
Two different balances	scarab	2/11/13 2:06 a.m.
Re: Two different balances	yakaman	2/11/13 1:26 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	Jabberwok	2/11/13 2:40 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	Gravemind	2/11/13 3:00 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	yakaman	2/11/13 6:41 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	Jabberwok	2/11/13 9:41 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	uberfoop	2/11/13 4:00 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	yakaman	2/11/13 6:32 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	uberfoop	2/11/13 9:32 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	Jabberwok	2/11/13 10:01 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	uberfoop	2/11/13 10:05 p.m.
Theory of Mind	scarab	2/12/13 9:51 a.m.
Re: Two different balances	Jabberwok	2/11/13 9:52 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	Leviathan	2/10/13 9:13 p.m.
You can't balance muskets with AK-47s	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	2/11/13 6:54 p.m.
Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Quirel	2/11/13 7:38 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Bry	2/11/13 7:46 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	ZackDark	2/11/13 8:07 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	uberfoop	2/11/13 9:09 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Bry	2/11/13 9:28 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Quirel	2/12/13 1:46 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Bry	2/12/13 3:38 p.m.
Does every Marine carry a rocket launcher?	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	2/11/13 9:06 p.m.
Do Hunters carry assault rifles?	Quirel	2/12/13 2:04 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Metalingus627	2/11/13 9:12 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Quirel	2/12/13 1:49 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	thebruce0	2/12/13 4:58 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Jabberwok	2/12/13 8:11 p.m.
Re: You can't balance muskets with AK-47s	Jabberwok	2/11/13 10:24 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	Jabberwok	2/10/13 5:46 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	7he grunt w/a plasma pistol	2/10/13 8:19 p.m.