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Re: Ah. Weapon redundancy.
Posted By: Jabberwok <funkycaribou@aim.com>	Date: 2/10/13 4:33 p.m.
In Response To: Ah. Weapon redundancy. (Gravemind) Good ideas. I forgot about the focus and needle rifles, I don't know why they didn't stick with those. I used the focus rifle much differently than a normal sniper, especially in multiplayer, where it seemed good for suppression at medium or long range. And the needle rifle was much more interesting than the carbine. In fact, it seems like they removed a lot of my favorite weapons from Reach. I've never had a reason to use the boltshot in campaign, except on my first playthrough. The secondary fire never struck me as useful, but maybe that's just my play style. And there is almost always a light rifle, and/or suppressor close by if there is a boltshot, and those seem to be more effective in all the same areas. I feel like they missed the chance to introduce interesting new game mechanics with the Promethean arsenal. The technology is so advanced that they could have made them do pretty much anything, but most are just equivalents of preexisting weapons. I might like the scattershot more if it were more like the secondary fire for the flak cannon in UT, with an arcing projectile. The only good thing about the redundancy in the Promethean weapons is there are so many areas in campaign where there's nothing else available. But still, if the weapon mechanics were different, then those areas could have been designed around those differences, so that wouldn't have been an issue anyway. : I agree that there's way too much redundancy in Halo 4. Had I been the one : calling the shots, here's how I'd do the alien weapons. : First off, for the Covenant I would have brought back the focus rifle and : needle rifle. The focus rifle's continuous beam makes it more distinct : from the sniper rifle than the beam rifle is, plus in terms of fiction it : made sense as it was derived from the Sentinel beam. The only thing it : needed was a power buff, as it felt underpowered in Reach. The Needle : rifle likewise had more to distinguish itself from the DMR than the : Carbine does. Functionally, the Carbine is simply a purple alien DMR that : shoots green bullets and has slight differences in ROF, accuracy, and : damage. It's about as distinct from the DMR as the M4A1 and AK-47 are from : each other in Modern Warfare. But the needle rifle's ability to : supercombine in targets did more to make that weapon more distinct. : As for the Promethean arsenal, I would have scrapped the light rifle and : scattershot completely, as there's no reason for them to exist and there's : no way to retool them to make them more distinctive. Furthermore, the : remaining weapons would be battery-powered to give them continuity between : themselves and the Covenant's plasma weapons, which are based on : Forerunner tech. The suppressor would be retooled as a beam weapon similar : to the Sentinel beam. The binary rifle would overheat after a single shot : (and to compensate I might remove the laser sight that gives the shooter : away) and would have a battery life of five shots, plus or minus one shot. : Since it's already single-shot and has a reload animation that looks more : like it's overheating/charging up, plus its shots fragment into smaller : munitions that randomly bounce away from the point of detonation which : gives it enough distinction from the rocket launcher, the incinerator : wouldn't need to change functionally, and all that would need to change : would be the HUD widget to reflect its nature as a battery-powered weapon. : As for the boltshot, being a weird mishmash of a magnum, plasma pistol, : and shotgun, it may or may not be redundant enough to keep. I'd probably : lean towards keeping it, but for MP I'd have made it a low-tier ordnance : weapon like the Needler and concussion rifle are. Finally, the stasis : rifle that was deleted would have been kept, and it would have been a : low-tier ordnance weapon as well.

Message Index

Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	Jabberwok	2/10/13 2:00 p.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	Seraph xxvii	2/10/13 3:45 p.m.
Ah. Weapon redundancy.	Gravemind	2/10/13 3:53 p.m.
Re: Ah. Weapon redundancy.	Jabberwok	2/10/13 4:33 p.m.
Yeah *sigh*	SonGoharotto	2/10/13 4:08 p.m.
It's worse than that.	Quirel	2/10/13 4:10 p.m.
Even worser	scarab	2/10/13 4:16 p.m.
Re: Even worser	Quirel	2/10/13 4:30 p.m.
Re: Even worser	Jabberwok	2/10/13 4:47 p.m.
Re: Even worser	RC Master	2/10/13 5:10 p.m.
Re: Even worser	Quirel	2/10/13 5:13 p.m.
Re: Even worser	RC Master	2/10/13 5:18 p.m.
It's so not cool	scarab	2/10/13 7:25 p.m.
That it ain't.	Quirel	2/10/13 7:42 p.m.
Re: That it ain't.	Jabberwok	2/10/13 7:55 p.m.
Re: That it ain't.	RC Master	2/10/13 8:04 p.m.
Re: That it ain't.	Quirel	2/10/13 8:13 p.m.
Re: Even worser	Jabberwok	2/10/13 5:34 p.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	serpx	2/10/13 4:49 p.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	Jabberwok	2/10/13 4:53 p.m.
well if you want different...	scarab	2/10/13 7:38 p.m.
Re: well if you want different...	Jabberwok	2/10/13 7:49 p.m.
If that happens: see a doctor!	scarab	2/11/13 1:51 a.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	serpx	2/10/13 4:55 p.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	Ragashingo	2/10/13 5:02 p.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	Jabberwok	2/10/13 5:31 p.m.
Re: Halo 4 complaint (sort of): weapons	Jabberwok	2/10/13 5:51 p.m.
Forerunner Units	Ragashingo	2/10/13 6:51 p.m.
Re: Forerunner Units	Jabberwok	2/10/13 7:23 p.m.
Re: Forerunner Units	RC Master	2/10/13 7:58 p.m.
Re: Forerunner Units	Ragashingo	2/10/13 8:41 p.m.
Re: Forerunner Units	SonGoharotto	2/10/13 8:40 p.m.
Re: Forerunner Units	Quirel	2/11/13 3:40 p.m.
One more thing: weapon shelves	Dervish	2/10/13 5:16 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	serpx	2/10/13 5:40 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/10/13 7:43 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	scarab	2/10/13 7:46 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	Cody Miller	2/10/13 8:26 p.m.
Two different balances	scarab	2/11/13 2:06 a.m.
Re: Two different balances	yakaman	2/11/13 1:26 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	Jabberwok	2/11/13 2:40 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	Gravemind	2/11/13 3:00 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	yakaman	2/11/13 6:41 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	Jabberwok	2/11/13 9:41 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	uberfoop	2/11/13 4:00 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	yakaman	2/11/13 6:32 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	uberfoop	2/11/13 9:32 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	Jabberwok	2/11/13 10:01 p.m.
Re: Two different balances	uberfoop	2/11/13 10:05 p.m.
Theory of Mind	scarab	2/12/13 9:51 a.m.
Re: Two different balances	Jabberwok	2/11/13 9:52 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	Leviathan	2/10/13 9:13 p.m.
You can't balance muskets with AK-47s	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	2/11/13 6:54 p.m.
Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Quirel	2/11/13 7:38 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Bry	2/11/13 7:46 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	ZackDark	2/11/13 8:07 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	uberfoop	2/11/13 9:09 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Bry	2/11/13 9:28 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Quirel	2/12/13 1:46 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Bry	2/12/13 3:38 p.m.
Does every Marine carry a rocket launcher?	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	2/11/13 9:06 p.m.
Do Hunters carry assault rifles?	Quirel	2/12/13 2:04 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Metalingus627	2/11/13 9:12 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Quirel	2/12/13 1:49 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	thebruce0	2/12/13 4:58 p.m.
Re: Is a rocket launcher balanced with a magnum?	Jabberwok	2/12/13 8:11 p.m.
Re: You can't balance muskets with AK-47s	Jabberwok	2/11/13 10:24 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	Jabberwok	2/10/13 5:46 p.m.
Re: One more thing: weapon shelves	7he grunt w/a plasma pistol	2/10/13 8:19 p.m.