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Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?
Posted By: thebruce0 <g.may@thebruce.net>Date: 12/17/12 4:28 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much? (Bry)


You just echoed what I was saying :)

:: And yeah, with the default apps as a native part of the OS, an OS update can
:: and will have the ability to 'remove' or alter the features. That's
:: probably a better way to look at those apps (which, btw, can't be deleted
:: like other apps) - consider them OS features, not independent apps.

: I dunno about that exactly. The lack of the ability to delete them in a
: conventional way doesn't strictly mean they are not apps (Apple calls them
: 'Native Apps').

I didn't say they weren't apps, just to "consider" them more like OS features. Yes, they are 'native apps'. Regardless of label, they are tied to the OS, so an OS update has the ability to do whatever to them; not the same (in that context) as Apple reaching in and deleting a 3rd party app you explicitly downloaded, perhaps purchased, from the store.

They "can't be deleted like other apps" - ie, press and hold, then delete. Or via iTunes (afaik; I haven't actually tried to remove any native app from through iTunes).

: As the makers of the software and hardware, it would be easy for Apple to do
: something as simple as enabling a flag that disables the delete option.

Indeed

: Native apps can be deleted, or completely disabled by moving them to a new
: directory, it just requires a jail broken device.

That's the key. I'm only referring to Apple's native capabilities and features. Most anything can be done with a jail-broken device. That's a given. Heck, even blocking an app-killer command from Apple would be a benefit of jail breaking. I for one haven't had a strong enough desire to jail break though, so I'm still running natively.

: But this is going a bit off topic.

:)

: A little search brought up a straight answer rather than our speculation.

That would be the easy way, wouldn't it? ;)

: Yes, Apple has the capability to delete any app from your iOS device if they
: choose to do so.
: As far as we know, they've never employed this kill switch, but it does
: exist.

Indeed

: "Hopefully we never have to pull that lever, but we would be
: irresponsible not to have a lever like that to pull," said Mr Jobs.

And that's a respectable viewpoint (and a similar sentiment that reaches from lowly programmers with backdoor/hidden functions all the way up to high government and military, depending on who you talk to and who you trust, of course :P)

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Crimson Map Pack according to Microsoft PR...MoltenSlowa 12/11/12 10:04 p.m.
     Re: Crimson Map Pack according to Microsoft PR...FyreWulff 12/11/12 10:05 p.m.
           LiterallyFyreWulff 12/11/12 10:10 p.m.
                 Re: LiterallyHedgemony 12/11/12 10:24 p.m.
                       Re: Literallywyoming 12/12/12 11:38 a.m.
                 Re: LiterallyCody Miller 12/12/12 6:43 p.m.
     Wow, hahaha.uberfoop 12/11/12 10:23 p.m.
           Re: Wow, hahaha.FyreWulff 12/11/12 10:44 p.m.
                 Re: Wow, hahaha.FyreWulff 12/11/12 10:45 p.m.
     You didn't get screwed for the free H4 specs?UnrealCh13f 12/11/12 10:38 p.m.
           Jimmies are rustledskillra 12/13/12 1:52 a.m.
     Total crapMid7night 12/11/12 11:18 p.m.
     I'm curious, though...uberfoop 12/11/12 11:23 p.m.
           Good question...Mid7night 12/11/12 11:44 p.m.
                 Re: Good question...Hedgemony 12/11/12 11:55 p.m.
           Re: I'm curious, though...FyreWulff 12/11/12 11:47 p.m.
     I'm generally pro-343i and MS...Lurono 12/11/12 11:38 p.m.
           Re: I'm generally pro-343i and MS...SonGoharotto 12/11/12 11:43 p.m.
                 Re: I'm generally pro-343i and MS...Lurono 12/12/12 12:09 a.m.
                       Re: I'm generally pro-343i and MS...Grizzlei 12/12/12 12:13 a.m.
                             Okay, I laughed =P *NM*Lurono 12/12/12 2:16 a.m.
     Somehow I only had one gif...Grizzlei 12/11/12 11:39 p.m.
           lol *NM*Lurono 12/11/12 11:40 p.m.
     Gimme a break.GrimBrother One 12/11/12 11:40 p.m.
           Sounds like a bunch of people who really don't GAFGrizzlei 12/11/12 11:54 p.m.
                 heh heh. *NM*zoojoo 12/13/12 5:29 a.m.
           this is how I feel as well *NM*kidtsunami 12/12/12 3:13 a.m.
           Re: Gimme a break.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 12/12/12 7:03 a.m.
           Re: Gimme a break.DEEP NNN 12/12/12 8:17 a.m.
           Truth vs. PlacationMid7night 12/12/12 9:10 a.m.
           Re: Gimme a break.Kermit 12/12/12 9:43 a.m.
           My eventual final response...GrimBrother One 12/12/12 10:49 a.m.
                 Re: My eventual final response...thebruce0 12/12/12 11:00 a.m.
                 Re: My eventual final response...Kermit 12/12/12 2:05 p.m.
           I have a response, Grim!Avateur 12/12/12 2:10 p.m.
     Re: Crimson Map Pack according to Microsoft PR...kanbo 12/12/12 12:03 a.m.
     Crimson Map Pack is now apparently a trial versionUnrealCh13f 12/12/12 12:22 a.m.
           Then I look back at the "PR Statement"UnrealCh13f 12/12/12 12:27 a.m.
           Re: Crimson Map Pack is now apparently a trial verPhoenix_9286 12/12/12 12:37 a.m.
                 Re: Crimson Map Pack is now apparently a trial vermunky-058 12/12/12 1:13 a.m.
                 TCKaos put it nicely on NeoGAF.uberfoop 12/12/12 3:51 a.m.
                       UPDATE: bsangel made a blog post.uberfoop 12/12/12 4:13 a.m.
                             I hate being lied to.bluerunner 12/12/12 7:49 a.m.
                                   Re: I hate being lied to.Louis Wu 12/12/12 8:06 a.m.
                                         Re: I hate being lied to.SonofMacPhisto 12/12/12 8:24 a.m.
                                               Re: I hate being lied to.Bry 12/12/12 9:12 a.m.
                                                     Re: I hate being lied to.SonofMacPhisto 12/12/12 9:25 a.m.
                                                           Re: I hate being lied to.Leisandir 12/12/12 9:36 a.m.
                                                                 Re: I hate being lied to.SonofMacPhisto 12/12/12 9:45 a.m.
                                                                       Re: I hate being lied to.Leisandir 12/12/12 10:47 a.m.
                                         Re: I hate being lied to.bluerunner 12/12/12 10:03 a.m.
                                         Never heard of this Pay & Play thing.Captain Spark 12/12/12 11:25 a.m.
                                               Re: Never heard of this Pay & Play thing.hunt3r 12/13/12 2:16 a.m.
                                         Re: I hate being lied to.Phoenix_9286 12/12/12 1:03 p.m.
                                               Re: I hate being lied to.Louis Wu 12/12/12 1:10 p.m.
                                                     Re: I hate being lied to.Phoenix_9286 12/12/12 1:24 p.m.
                                               Re: I hate being lied to.uberfoop 12/12/12 1:14 p.m.
                                                     Re: I hate being lied to.SonofMacPhisto 12/12/12 1:18 p.m.
                                         can they do that?hunt3r 12/13/12 2:14 a.m.
                                               Re: can they do that?uberfoop 12/13/12 2:24 a.m.
                                               Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?Lurono 12/13/12 3:09 a.m.
                                                     Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?hunt3r 12/13/12 9:33 p.m.
                                                           Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?Ragashingo 12/14/12 1:57 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?hunt3r 12/15/12 12:24 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?Lurono 12/15/12 2:37 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?Leisandir 12/15/12 1:27 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?hunt3r 12/17/12 7:55 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?thebruce0 12/17/12 9:44 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?Mid7night 12/17/12 10:29 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?Bry 12/17/12 10:57 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?Mid7night 12/17/12 11:03 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?Bry 12/17/12 11:21 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?thebruce0 12/17/12 1:12 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?Bry 12/17/12 1:57 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?ChrisTheeCrappy 12/17/12 2:16 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?thebruce0 12/17/12 4:28 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?Bry 12/17/12 4:54 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?thebruce0 12/17/12 8:44 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?Ragashingo 12/17/12 3:52 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Holy crap, dude... Hyperoble much?Mid7night 12/17/12 4:46 p.m.
                                                                                   Yeah.. Saw that after I posted. Oops. :p *NM*Ragashingo 12/17/12 7:34 p.m.
                       Re: TCKaos put it nicely on NeoGAF.Cody Miller 12/12/12 6:49 p.m.
                             Re: TCKaos put it nicely on NeoGAF.Leisandir 12/12/12 7:55 p.m.
                                   I doubt thatrhubarb 12/14/12 1:17 p.m.
           Re: Crimson Map Pack is now apparently a trial verAsian Inferno 12/12/12 2:03 a.m.
           Will they still be usable in local/custom games?SonGoharotto 12/12/12 10:25 a.m.
                 Re: Will they still be usable in local/custom gameAsian Inferno 12/12/12 5:51 p.m.
     Re: Crimson Map Pack according to Microsoft PR...Asian Inferno 12/12/12 4:15 a.m.
     Does the posting code not catch unterminated tags?kornman00 12/12/12 4:23 a.m.
           No. Never. *NM*uberfoop 12/12/12 4:24 a.m.
                 Re: No. Never.Louis Wu 12/12/12 8:07 a.m.
                       Re: No. Never.Miguel Chavez 12/12/12 2:52 p.m.
                             Re: No. Never.Louis Wu 12/12/12 4:24 p.m.
                                   Re: No. Never.NsU Soldier 12/12/12 7:38 p.m.
     The real questionSchooly D 12/12/12 9:37 a.m.
           tru7h *NM*SonofMacPhisto 12/12/12 9:45 a.m.
           Re: The real questionbluerunner 12/12/12 9:53 a.m.



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