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Re: first time poster's response

Posted By: Stephen L. (SoundEffect) <soundeffect@hotmail.com> Date: 10/23/10 6:43 p.m.
In Response To: first time poster's response (Dervish)

: So I’m a long time lurker and first time poster, and I felt compelled to make
: a few points on this issue. This is going to be a bit long, but I’m going
: to explain why I don’t like Nylund’s The Fall of Reach and why I think it
: has outlived its usefulness as canon, and then I’ll get into how the
: retcons in Halo: Reach are beneficial, as they make the series as a whole
: make a lot more sense.
: To be frank, I don’t like The Fall of Reach. At all. Some of the reasons
: below fall into the realm of personal preference, but I include them
: because even though TFOR is often held up on a pedestal of brilliance, it
: is guilty of many of the flaws being pointed to in Halo: Reach’s story,
: often to a much greater degree. I appreciate that Nylund’s first Halo
: novel was the first deep exploration of the Halo universe, and that the
: games and other tie-ins that followed owe much to it, and I also
: appreciate that the book was written in six weeks and therefore isn’t
: going to be perfect. However, the numerous shortcomings of TFOR, outlined
: below, make it clear to me that ten years later, relying on the book as
: the basis for canon does more harm than good.
: 1) TFOR has no story arc to speak of, rather, it is a series of set pieces
: loosely strung together. This succeeds at embellishing some of the events
: eluded to in Halo: CE, but this basic lack of structure makes its story
: inferior to any of the Halo games, perhaps excluding ODST.
: 2) Characters in TFOR are at best flat and at worst inconsistent. The
: spartans are all essentially the same person, and no, being “the fast one”
: or the “the good sniper” does not count as personality. Likewise, Halsey
: is presented as though she should be a likable character, and is described
: as an inspirational figure. However, none of her actions support this at
: all, everything she does is either twisted and cruel or selfish and
: obnoxious. All Halsey is really good for in TFOR, or any of Nylund’s
: novels, is as a plot device and a source for exposition. The first time
: Halsey really made an impact as a character for me was in the Halo: Reach
: journal (which gives me hope for more good work like this from Nylund in
: the future).
: 3) Nylund’s obsession with old man history is boring and out of place. Nylund
: clearly loves reading about the heroic strategies and leadership of
: Western military commanders. I find this sort of old-fashioned
: glorification of sending people to their deaths a little off-putting
: myself, but the relevant issue here is that this is completely at odds
: with the boots-in-the-mud/guerilla warfare situation in Halo: CE. The game
: which served as the source material for TFOR was about the sort of hero
: that was fighting for the people around him or her, a focus which Nylund’s
: book ignores. Additionally, I found the descriptions of naval battles
: rather dry, and would have appreciated action sequences that were more in
: keeping with the sort of combat in the game.
: 4) Nylund made several frustratingly poor canonical choices that would be
: best to be done away with. The idea that nobody had ever seen or known
: about Elites until the attack on Reach is an obvious one. We know from the
: games that the Elites are consistently seen leading troops on the ground
: and are an essential part of the Covenant military. In TFOR, UNSC soldiers
: encountered and shot down Banshees and Wraiths, did nobody ever bother to
: check who had been piloting them? It’s also difficult to imagine planet
: after planet falling to armies composed entirely of Grunts and Jackals for
: nearly thirty years. Fortunately, it seems like Halo Wars, Legends etc.
: have done away with this bit of nonsense. There are other really
: canonically limiting elements in TFOR, however. No Mark V armor until
: right before the attack on Reach? Absolutely no knowledge of the
: Covenant’s motivation or leadership? I didn’t like this when Halo: CE and
: TFOR were the only two pieces of Halo fiction around, but now that the
: universe has expanded so much, these elements have been boxing stories
: into corners for too long.
: 5) Despite the title, the actual fall of Reach gets less than 50 pages in a
: 340 page book. It’s practically over before it begins. The explanation we
: get is cursory and unsatisfying, and, I think, unacceptable given the
: importance of the event in the overarching Halo story.
: To sum up, TFOR was sufficient when we had one Halo game, but the universe
: has exploded since that point. Even Nylund’s other novels leave elements
: of TFOR in a canonical grey area, and I think it’s about time the dead
: weight on the canon that TFOR represents be let go. And what better way to
: do that than a new game defining exactly what went on at Reach?
: Halo: Reach does a number of things right that TFOR didn’t bother with. We
: get a coherent look at the people and cultures of Reach, rather than some
: cloak-and-dagger military entity that we are told is benevolent despite
: all evidence to the contrary. Our principle cast of spartans (while not as
: fleshed out as they could be given the rather short length of the game)
: are diverse in their perspectives and believable as capable soldiers that
: have been working together for some time. We get a story about people who
: care about what happens to one another, and who care about what they are
: fighting for, something the broad narrative strokes of TFOR never got
: across. We get to see retaliation against the Covenant on the ground, in
: the air and in space. We meet enlisted soldiers and devoted militia. Halo:
: Reach suffers somewhat from keeping the story too strictly focused on
: Noble team, which makes the broader strategic picture difficult to follow,
: but the game succeeds at giving the impression of a world at war, with
: everybody trying everything to succeed, something that the brief space
: battle in TFOR was lacking.
: I’ve established that based on personal taste, I would rather the story told
: in Halo: Reach be canonical than that of TFOR. But the retcons in Halo:
: Reach do improve the overall canon. Let’s go through them: 1) Brutes and
: Drones. Obviously these hadn’t been created yet when TFOR was written, but
: they have contributed so much to the story as a whole since their
: introduction (well, the Brutes anyway) that insisting that their first
: appearance was a month or two before the end of the war is foolish. I
: welcome the adjustment of canon in order to accommodate the Brutes with
: open arms.
: 2) The invasion of Reach begins a month earlier. This allows for a much more
: interesting story to be told than what happened in TFOR. We know Reach has
: the largest UNSC presence of any human colony, and would present a
: formidable challenge for the Covenant. It’s one thing for the Covenant to
: simply obliterate the best the UNSC has in a stand-up fight, but the Halo
: story is about so much more than evil invading aliens. I love the idea
: that the Covenant opted to bypass Reach’s orbital defense grid by
: discreetly slipping their army in directly to the planet’s surface. I also
: like the idea that the motivation behind the full scale attack was not
: just to eradicate the humans, but to access the Forerunner secrets under
: the planet’s surface. I don’t mind the fact that we’ve never seen cloaking
: or slipspace navigational precision on this scale before, because, with
: the exception of the second half of Halo 2, we were never looking at the
: full might of the Covenant military.
: 3) The business with Cortana and the location of Installation 04. The way
: Halo was found in TFOR never made much sense to me. The Covenant invade
: Sigma Octanus 4 to find a Forerunner rock in a museum which has
: coordinates to the mythical means of their god’s divination. They get said
: rock, but instead of heading to Halo, what they have been searching for
: for generations straightaway, they devote a good chunk of their resources
: to attacking Reach. Then when the Autumn is fleeing Reach, Cortana decides
: to ignore Cole Protocol and follow these random intercepted coordinates,
: for reasons never explained and which are inexplicitly never questioned by
: any other characters. The above is pretty typical of the awkward,
: roundabout plotting of TFOR and Nylund’s other Halo books. In Halo: Reach,
: we get something much more eloquent. Halsey has been studying the
: Forerunner relics, and knows of their importance to the Covenant and their
: potential as far as ending the war. How much she knows specifically is not
: clear, but mysteries like this are what make the Halo story great.
: Nevertheless, while she knows that her knowledge would be useful in
: exploring Halo, she herself would be a liability. So she creates an AI in
: her image based on her own mind. In this version of the story, Cortana’s
: purpose is to find Halo and use it to end the war. This ties the entirety
: of the Halo universe together extremely well. There was always a weird gap
: between the focus of the story before and after the discovery of Halo, and
: Halo: Reach uses Cortana to bridge that gap.
: Halo: Reach’s story isn’t perfect, but I don’t think the thread’s authors are
: giving it due credit for streamlining and improving a canon that was
: previously disjointed and outdated.
Well presented.
At the end of the day, the Fall of Reach isn't being abandoned by 343i so we still have to make it and Reach play nice. :) It's not about what we prefer and what we don't prefer to accept. It's there and that's that. It how we move on with that knowledge that counts.

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Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/24/10 8:24 p.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Archilen 10/25/10 1:24 a.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/25/10 6:29 a.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Bry 10/25/10 6:44 a.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/25/10 7:20 a.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Bry 10/25/10 10:54 a.m.

Just a thought... thebruce0 10/25/10 9:49 a.m.

Re: Just a thought... Bry 10/25/10 11:06 a.m.

Re: Just a thought... Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/25/10 11:06 a.m.

Re: Just a thought... Beckx 10/25/10 11:12 a.m.

Re: Just a thought... thebruce0 10/25/10 1:09 p.m.

Re: Just a thought... Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/25/10 1:29 p.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Pebbles 10/23/10 8:02 a.m.

^_This *NM* evildoctorwill 10/23/10 8:20 a.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 8:52 a.m.

Aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper? urK 10/23/10 12:20 p.m.

Re: Aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper? aloyisus 10/23/10 12:35 p.m.

Re: Aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper? urK 10/23/10 12:40 p.m.

Re: Aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper? aloyisus 10/23/10 12:42 p.m.

Re: Aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper? Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 1:00 p.m.

Re: Aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper? Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 1:05 p.m.

Re: Aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper? Bry 10/23/10 1:17 p.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 10/23/10 12:35 p.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Cody Miller 10/23/10 12:37 p.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 1:09 p.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 10/23/10 1:45 p.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 1:59 p.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net ArteenEsben 10/23/10 7:13 a.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 7:45 a.m.

Has Bungie ever said the books are canon? *NM* evildoctorwill 10/23/10 7:50 a.m.

They have... Bry 10/23/10 8:01 a.m.

Re: They have... evildoctorwill 10/23/10 8:04 a.m.

Re: They have... Bry 10/23/10 8:10 a.m.

Re: They have... evildoctorwill 10/23/10 8:18 a.m.

Re: They have... Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 8:32 a.m.

Hopefully Frankie can fix all evildoctorwill 10/23/10 8:36 a.m.

Re: Hopefully Frankie can fix all Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 8:55 a.m.

I think it might be down to a change of hats onebitrocket 10/23/10 4:04 p.m.

This is why. Riceatron 10/23/10 9:03 a.m.

Re: This is why. Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 9:12 a.m.

Re: This is why. Riceatron 10/23/10 9:15 a.m.

Re: This is why. Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 9:42 a.m.

Re: This is why. Riceatron 10/23/10 9:56 a.m.

Re: This is why. Vincent 10/23/10 10:02 a.m.

Re: This is why. Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 10:06 a.m.

Re: This is why. Vincent 10/23/10 10:14 a.m.

Re: This is why. Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 11:17 a.m.

Re: This is why. DHalo 10/23/10 10:07 a.m.

Re: This is why. Cortana4ever 10/23/10 10:10 a.m.

Re: This is why. Riceatron 10/23/10 10:13 a.m.

Re: This is why. Cortana4ever 10/23/10 10:15 a.m.

Re: This is why. Riceatron 10/23/10 10:18 a.m.

Re: This is why. DHalo 10/23/10 10:21 a.m.

Re: This is why. Riceatron 10/23/10 10:11 a.m.

Re: This is why. DHalo 10/23/10 10:18 a.m.

Re: This is why. Riceatron 10/23/10 10:32 a.m.

Re: This is why. Vincent 10/23/10 10:37 a.m.

Re: This is why. Bry 10/23/10 10:42 a.m.

Re: This is why. Vincent 10/23/10 10:45 a.m.

Re: This is why. Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 11:41 a.m.

Re: This is why. Riceatron 10/23/10 12:46 p.m.

Re: This is why. Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 1:12 p.m.

Re: This is why. Vincent 10/23/10 1:14 p.m.

Re: This is why. Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 1:30 p.m.

Re: This is why. Cody Miller 10/23/10 1:33 p.m.

Re: This is why. Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 1:41 p.m.

Re: This is why. Cody Miller 10/23/10 1:44 p.m.

Re: This is why. Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 1:51 p.m.

Re: This is why. Cody Miller 10/23/10 1:56 p.m.

Re: This is why. Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 2:01 p.m.

Re: This is why. Quirel 10/23/10 6:48 p.m.

Re: This is why. Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 6:58 p.m.

Re: This is why. Quirel 10/23/10 8:24 p.m.

Re: This is why. DHalo 10/23/10 10:39 a.m.

Re: This is why. Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 11:13 a.m.

Re: This is why. Gravemind 10/23/10 11:45 a.m.

Re: This is why. Cody Miller 10/23/10 11:47 a.m.

Re: This is why. Leviathan 10/23/10 12:08 p.m.

Re: They have... Bry 10/23/10 10:25 a.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net ArteenEsben 10/23/10 9:35 a.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 9:57 a.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Bry 10/23/10 3:59 p.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Quirel 10/23/10 7:04 p.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Bry 10/23/10 7:10 p.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Quirel 10/23/10 8:18 p.m.

History is immutable! LOL! *NM* Kermit 10/23/10 3:24 p.m.

Re: History is immutable! LOL! Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 5:05 p.m.

Re: History is immutable! LOL! Bry 10/23/10 5:27 p.m.

Re: History is immutable! LOL! Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 5:56 p.m.

Re: History is immutable! LOL! Bry 10/23/10 6:16 p.m.

Re: History is immutable! LOL! Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 6:54 p.m.

Re: History is immutable! LOL! Bry 10/23/10 7:04 p.m.

Re: History is immutable! LOL! Quirel 10/23/10 7:11 p.m.

Re: History is immutable! LOL! Bry 10/23/10 7:18 p.m.

Re: History is immutable! LOL! Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 7:39 p.m.

Wait... Bootcamp #2 came out? Leviathan 10/23/10 9:10 p.m.

Re: Wait... Bootcamp #2 came out? Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 10:33 p.m.

Re: Wait... Bootcamp #2 came out? Leviathan 10/24/10 1:51 a.m.

This ^ Kermit 10/24/10 12:12 p.m.

Re: History is immutable! LOL! Beckx 10/23/10 5:30 p.m.

I like midichlorians *NM* Mirel 10/23/10 7:23 a.m.

This is entertaining. Cortana4ever 10/23/10 8:05 a.m.

Not sure why anyone cares at this point... FoolsRun 10/23/10 8:35 a.m.

Re: Not sure why anyone cares at this point... Lobster 10/23/10 8:45 a.m.

Re: Not sure why anyone cares at this point... Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 9:07 a.m.

Re: Allow me to clarify... FoolsRun 10/23/10 6:48 p.m.

Re: Allow me to clarify... Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 7:04 p.m.

I understand.. FoolsRun 10/23/10 7:57 p.m.

By golly you do Cody Miller 10/23/10 9:22 p.m.

Re: Not sure why anyone cares at this point... Cody Miller 10/23/10 10:12 a.m.

Re: Not sure why anyone cares at this point... Azo 'Galvat 10/23/10 10:44 a.m.

Halo is not the Dollars Trilogy. *NM* uberfoop 10/23/10 6:23 p.m.

HP is ready for his thorazine, nurse. *NM* Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 10/23/10 8:45 a.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net DrDoctor 10/23/10 9:25 a.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Vincent 10/23/10 10:09 a.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Cortana4ever 10/23/10 10:13 a.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Hawaiian Pig 10/23/10 3:42 p.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Beckx 10/23/10 10:34 a.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Jak Redlevske 10/23/10 10:45 a.m.

Skipping this. Life's too short. *NM* Kermit 10/23/10 11:06 a.m.

Re: Skipping this. Life's too short. General Vagueness 10/23/10 11:24 a.m.

I appreciate your opinion. kanbo 10/23/10 11:22 a.m.

Re: I appreciate your opinion. Cortana4ever 10/23/10 11:24 a.m.

"everyone else"? *NM* Vincent 10/23/10 11:28 a.m.

Here's my opinion.... Cortana4ever 10/23/10 11:31 a.m.

Thank... you.... GOD! chris101b 10/23/10 11:49 a.m.

Re: Thank... you.... GOD! Cody Miller 10/23/10 12:32 p.m.

D: Whatever happened to zen and peace? *NM* Cortana4ever 10/23/10 12:37 p.m.

Re: D: Whatever happened to zen and peace? Quirel 10/23/10 9:21 p.m.

...the milkman? the paperboy? evening tv? *NM* thebruce0 10/25/10 10:43 a.m.

New record! Cody Miller 10/23/10 1:20 p.m.

Um... no chris101b 10/23/10 1:30 p.m.

Hey Cody Miguel Chavez 10/23/10 2:28 p.m.

Re: Hey Cody Cody Miller 10/23/10 2:37 p.m.

Re: Hey Cody Miguel Chavez 10/23/10 2:55 p.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Caleb 117 10/23/10 3:13 p.m.

Well now that the dust has settled. Hawaiian Pig 10/23/10 3:56 p.m.

Re: Well now that the dust has settled. DHalo 10/23/10 4:13 p.m.

Re: Well now that the dust has settled. Cody Miller 10/23/10 5:03 p.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Quirel 10/23/10 4:55 p.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net DHalo 10/23/10 4:58 p.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Hawaiian Pig 10/23/10 5:33 p.m.

My take on Reach Meyeselph 10/23/10 4:56 p.m.

first time poster's response Dervish 10/23/10 6:01 p.m.

great example Miguel Chavez 10/23/10 6:09 p.m.

Re: great example Hawaiian Pig 10/23/10 6:24 p.m.

Re: great example Miguel Chavez 10/23/10 6:48 p.m.

Re: great example Cody Miller 10/23/10 7:11 p.m.

I have evidence Avateur 10/23/10 7:21 p.m.

Re: I have evidence Hawaiian Pig 10/23/10 7:28 p.m.

Re: I have evidence Avateur 10/23/10 7:40 p.m.

Re: I have evidence Cody Miller 10/23/10 7:47 p.m.

Re: I have evidence Avateur 10/23/10 8:03 p.m.

Addendum Avateur 10/23/10 8:22 p.m.

This whole subthread is a joke Eiii 10/23/10 8:42 p.m.

Dude DHalo 10/23/10 8:46 p.m.

Re: Dude Quirel 10/23/10 9:29 p.m.

Re: This whole subthread is a joke Avateur 10/23/10 9:00 p.m.

Re: This whole subthread is a joke Cody Miller 10/23/10 9:18 p.m.

Re: I have evidence Miguel Chavez 10/23/10 8:26 p.m.

i heart mig DHalo 10/23/10 8:28 p.m.

oops Miguel Chavez 10/23/10 8:29 p.m.

Re: I have evidence Cody Miller 10/23/10 9:06 p.m.

Re: I have evidence Miguel Chavez 10/23/10 10:27 p.m.

"It takes ten seconds to make a first impression 7he grunt w/a plasma pistol 10/23/10 7:47 p.m.

Re: "It takes ten seconds to make a first impressi Sl'askia 10/23/10 9:56 p.m.

Re: I have evidence uberfoop 10/23/10 7:52 p.m.

Re: I have evidence Hawaiian Pig 10/23/10 8:41 p.m.

Re: I have evidence Eiii 10/23/10 9:04 p.m.

Re: I have evidence DHalo 10/23/10 9:08 p.m.

Re: I have evidence Quirel 10/23/10 9:34 p.m.

Snotcannon.com *NM* Urk 10/23/10 9:41 p.m.

Howdy, Urk. gunluva 10/23/10 9:56 p.m.

Re: Howdy, Urk. Sl'askia 10/23/10 9:59 p.m.

Clever devil. *NM* Jak Redlevske 10/23/10 11:21 p.m.

Re: great example Bry 10/23/10 6:34 p.m.

Re: first time poster's response Leviathan 10/23/10 6:36 p.m.

Re: first time poster's response Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/23/10 6:43 p.m.

The best post here, and with this I'm through. *NM* Riceatron 10/24/10 2:45 p.m.

Haha, oh wow radda 10/23/10 8:52 p.m.

Re: Haha, oh wow Vincent 10/23/10 9:00 p.m.

Re: Haha, oh wow radda 10/23/10 10:02 p.m.

Re: Haha, oh wow DerekT07 10/23/10 11:22 p.m.

Re: Haha, oh wow Cody Miller 10/23/10 11:32 p.m.

Re: Haha, oh wow DerekT07 10/24/10 12:05 a.m.

Re: HaloReachIsNotCanon.net Asian Inferno 10/24/10 1:26 a.m.

You honestly have more faith in 343i over Bungie? *NM* Jayshum 10/24/10 9:08 a.m.

This is why... 7he_7ruth 10/24/10 10:52 a.m.

Zathras can never have anything nice. *NM* Beckx 10/24/10 12:56 p.m.

I think a bit of a BM-recap is in order Eiii 10/24/10 5:05 p.m.

Re: I think a bit of a BM-recap is in order 7he_7ruth 10/24/10 5:59 p.m.

Re: I think a bit of a BM-recap is in order Avateur 10/24/10 10:11 p.m.

Re: I think a bit of a BM-recap is in order Eiii 10/24/10 11:29 p.m.

Re: I think a bit of a BM-recap is in order DHalo 10/24/10 11:37 p.m.

Re: I think a bit of a BM-recap is in order Hawaiian Pig 10/25/10 12:17 a.m.

Re: I think a bit of a BM-recap is in order Avateur 10/24/10 11:45 p.m.

Re: I think a bit of a BM-recap is in order Hawaiian Pig 10/25/10 12:26 a.m.

Holycrap what did I miss this weekend? o_O *NM* thebruce0 10/25/10 8:58 a.m.

A -1d6 SAN hazard. Roll, please. *NM* Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 10/25/10 9:19 a.m.

*IMG* bluerunner 10/25/10 10:46 a.m.

Windmill FTW! *NM* Beckx 10/25/10 10:50 a.m.

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