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Posted By: Tycho7en | Date: 1/13/02 3:06 p.m. | |
In Response To: Re: Dream Terminal Thoughts (SiliconDream =PN=) : Well...from the Cyborg's point of view, there's not a lot of difference
: For one thing, a single fluid universe should be altering all the time,
Perhaps. I think that these "time jumps" are really just interludes between the W'r monster's dreams. You're trapped in his dreams, and you're the only person who can have any affect on their outcome. It's a dream, many dreams, numerous deadly dreams, but once it's over it's as if they never happened. Do the dreams have a direct affect on what happens in the next? Not until you merge Durandal and Thoth, and the resulting entity instructs you to capture the W'r monster once and for all. I still see the Marine as a servant. The marine serves it's master, the greater entity. Of course, he does have some bias... up until Marathon Infinity, he was fighting for humanity. In Infinity, he's fighting for order in a chaotic universe. Do actions have consequences in a chaotic universe? To some extent, they do in MI. But oddly enough, your actions seem to have a constant affect the W'r monster's dreams... is this what Durandal meant when he said "You are Destiny"? : Also, you're constantly being exhorted to find the right path which will take
Not quite. You're Destiny... that's what stops the chaos in the end. You're the only person who can change the outcome. That's the right path... disobeying your role (shades of Arthur Frain?) in the dream to change the outcome completely. Might I add, the W'r monster's not rewriting the book of history, he's rewriting the rules of the universe. It's his dreaming grounds, now. As I said, what happens when you wake up? Do your dreams radically change your world when you wake up? Of course not, you wake up as if nothing happened. And that's what the "dream" levels are for... the W'r monster goes through a stage of subconscious, only to start dreaming again. The only thing that's constant through the W'r monsters dreams is the player's actions... Durandal can't change what happens until you merge him with Thoth. Everything's just a theater, a play, an opera. Everyone's the W'r monster's marionette, but you're somehow free from his control. : Both of these indicate that altering history is your job, not the
No, it's not altering history. It's doing something different, something that you haven't done before. You haven't tried changing your role in his dreams, have you? You've always been the servant, your master is a variable. Up until Strange Aeons, when you suddenly have a degree of free will... : Tycho also blames you for the timeline shifts, and in fact depicts the
That's based on how you interpret the terminals. Even so, part of that interpretation fits with my theory. You've been fighting "doubt" itself, right? You're fighting the W'r monster, but you've never thought of that until Strange Aeons. Until then, you've been a servant. How do you fight "doubt"? You break character in "doubt"'s dreams. : As for whether there's one or many universes...the Ne Cede Malis terminal is
The "path" is the path you make through these dreams. Notice how your actions affect "doubt"'s (I'm sticking with this instead of "w'r monster", it's easier to type) later dreams. "Thousands are sailing" are not timelines, it's everyone affected by the W'r monster's many dreams, unable to change the path. Everyone else is skimming the surface, letting the current flow. The marine does the same, but he later realizes that if he follows the current, nothing's going to change. "A line of infinite ends" is referring to the many ends to the W'r monsters dreams... yet the path continues through the W'r monster's other dreams and you're stuck with a constant, nightmarish ending for each dream unless you can make it stop. |
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Dream Terminal Thoughts | SiliconDream =PN= | 1/13/02 1:53 a.m. | |
Good grief! | Hamish Sinclair | 1/13/02 5:44 a.m. | |
Holy Doctoral Thesis Batman! *NT* *NM* | Ernie | 1/15/02 3:27 p.m. | |
Re: Dream Terminal Thoughts | Mark Levin | 1/13/02 6:46 a.m. | |
Re: Dream Terminal Thoughts | Tycho7en | 1/13/02 8:20 a.m. | |
Re: Dream Terminal Thoughts | Cpt. Sqweky | 1/14/02 8:32 p.m. | |
Re: Dream Terminal Thoughts | SiliconDream =PN= | 1/13/02 3:47 p.m. | |
Re: Dream Terminal Thoughts | Andrew Nagy | 1/14/02 7:00 a.m. | |
Re: Dream Terminal Thoughts | SiliconDream =PN= | 1/14/02 1:54 p.m. | |
Re: Dream Terminal Thoughts | SiliconDream =PN= | 1/14/02 2:59 p.m. | |
Duplicate post, sorry *NM* | SiliconDream =PN= | 1/14/02 3:04 p.m. | |
Re: Dream Terminal Thoughts | Andrew Nagy | 1/18/02 7:24 a.m. | |
Re: Dream Terminal Thoughts | Tru7h | 1/18/02 9:11 a.m. | |
Re: Dream Terminal Thoughts | SiliconDream =PN= | 1/18/02 1:10 p.m. | |
Re: Dream Terminal Thoughts | Andrew Nagy | 1/14/02 7:00 a.m. | |
Re: Dream Terminal Thoughts | Tycho7en | 1/13/02 7:43 a.m. | |
Re: Dream Terminal Thoughts | SiliconDream =PN= | 1/13/02 1:22 p.m. | |
Re: Dream Terminal Thoughts | Tycho7en | 1/13/02 3:06 p.m. | |
Re: Dream Terminal Thoughts | SiliconDream =PN= | 1/13/02 11:31 p.m. | |
Wow, it all makes sense now! | Jonah | 1/15/02 12:37 a.m. | |
Re: Dream Terminal Thoughts | Tycho7en | 1/15/02 4:04 p.m. | |
Re: Dream Terminal Thoughts | Rincewind MoG | 1/13/02 1:23 p.m. | |
Re: Dream Terminal Thoughts | Tru7h | 1/13/02 1:49 p.m. | |
Re: Dream Terminal Thoughts | SiliconDream =PN= | 1/13/02 3:59 p.m. | |
Oh, and... | SiliconDream =PN= | 1/13/02 4:01 p.m. | |
Re: Oh, and... | Smasher | 1/13/02 7:29 p.m. | |
Re: Oh, and... | SiliconDream =PN= | 1/13/02 10:55 p.m. |
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