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Re: Story Discussion and maybe a scenario idea?

Posted By: Yossarian Date: 5/14/04 5:48 p.m.
In Response To: Story Discussion and maybe a scenario idea? (Cheerful)

: I've always wondered what exactly happened to the Pfhor after the war. The
: ending screen for Marathon 2 seems to imply extermination. As we know
: nothing about what sort of government or society the humans by the time of
: M2/Infinity have, this is quite possible. But if the humans are the
: "good guys", as they seem to be, total xenocide is unlikely.
Not only unlikely but impossible. I always got the impression that the UESC was very much outnumbered during the war; this would explain why they went for the headshot by taking Pfhor Prime. Er, did this actually happen in the trilogy or do I still have Rubicon on the brain?
Additionally, why bury an otherwise perfectly good Empire when you can usurp it, a la the barbarians with Rome. Or, if you did want the Pfhor to die off or become weaker, simply let them splinter and fight each other for power.
: Of course, the Pfhor are a hive species, with the Hindmost Creche as the
: ultimate Queen. Presumably the destruction of the Hindmost Creche would
: have been necessary to defeat the Pfhor. Tfear himself described the HC as
: thinking on a level so advanced that it seemed insane, so if even the
: Pfhor couldn't really talk to her, the humans certainly wouldn't be able
: to negotiate with her. And hive mind species tend to self-destruct without
: the leader.
Yes, this is the basis for my next big steaming piece of fanfic, I actually need to work on it some more...I've got a lot of writing to do this weekend.
: That said, the Pfhor are much more independent than ants or bees. Even
: low-ranking Pfhor clearly have some degree of free will. The scientists
: doing independent and illicit research on the F'lickta and Nar in Infinity
: are examples of this. Furthermore, a true hive mind would render a
: bureaucracy unnecessary, though the Pfhor rely on their elaborate
: bureaucracy.
I tend to think the individual Pfhor were only as independent thinking as the HC would allow or could afford.
: In Rise, Robot Rise, the second level of Infinity, Tycho mentions that he
: needs the glands of the captain to control the ship. This leads me to
: believe that the Pfhor control one another through pheromones. A
: "Command" rank Pfhor, for instance, could use his pheromones to
: have complete control over any number of Aggregates. Again though, Pfhor
: of all ranks have some degree of free will. Thus, the control is not
: constant. During times of combat, or work or duress the lead Pfhor would
: use his glands to control all of his underlings, but other times the
: different Pfhor could do as they chose.
Yes, another example would be the enforcers. So perhaps it is two part; the glands validate authority while the enforces see to the excution of its will. It's also possible that the captain's glands were necessary to access the ship's control systems; a pheremonal fingerprint of some sort, otherwise Tycho would have tad to tie it to a defense drone and force it to float about the ship, much like you would a steak to an ugly childs face so that the dog might play with him.
: If this is the case, than the destruction of the Hindmost Creche would
: probably not result in the instant brain-death of the entire species.
: Those closest to her would be affected quite severely; many would die or
: go insane. But some would survive, even though Pfhor society would cease
: to function.
I agree, and the Rubicon team's spin on this was that the Empire fragmented as warlords, former slaves, and former commanders tried to fill the power vacuum. As the Empire collapsed downwards through the bureaucracy, those that were able to maintain the command structure beneath them were at the head of power.
: Anyway, extrapolating from this I had an idea for a scenario. I should say
: right now that I don't really know how to use Forge or Anvil, and I'm not
: good at ideas for ingenious or original maps. Basically what I'm offering
: is the outlines of a plot. If anyone is interested in designing maps and
: weapons and whatnot, I will be more than happy to flesh it out, write
: terminal messages etc. If not... I can make it a fanfic or something ;)
I think this was the original idea behind Pfhorathon, to play as a fighter. How far that scenario is and how much play we might see as a Pfhor is anyone's guess.
A lot of good scenario ideas out there could make some really good fan fiction, and some of them are actually probably better suited for that. I think that by writing you're creating the outline and structure as you go, and in the end you can decide if you really have enough content to form it into something more substantial like an actual scenario.
: The shocked remnants of the Pfhor species did not offer any real resistence
: after the destruction of the Hindmost Creche. Not willing to exterminate
: the species, the humans consigned the Pfhor to a habitable (by Pfhor
: standards) world where they would hopefully rebuild their society as a
: client species of humanity.
Again, this would be difficult seeing as how the Pfhor Empire was just gigantic, all the Pfhor probably wouldn't fint on one planet...
: Despite the change, Pfhor are simply not humans. Though they no longer have a
: powerful central hive mind, different castes are still extant, as is the
: control they exert over their subordinates. That said, while Pfhor society
: has recovered, they are definitely a race on the decline. The few
: surviving Imperial caste members simply do not have the necessary drive to
: be effective leaders, as they cannot receive needed directions from higher
: up. Lower castes are biologically unable to function as leaders. The
: scenario would revolve around the player being a Pfhor soldier (command
: rank maybe) serving the human military forces, rooting out pirates, Nar
: raiders or whomever. Though you understand the atrocities committed by
: your ancestors, you do not want your race to die out. The humans,
: well-meaning as some of them are, do not seem to have any answers for your
: race's salvation, and some are intent on making it worse. Throughout the
: game you might find some opportunity to save the Pfhor, but to make things
: interesting it should only be at some terrible cost.
Some of this, if not a lot of it, will come into form and into play in the Scenario idea we've been throwing around that will begin development after the completion of Eternal. Manus Celer Dei will go into great detail concerning the history of the future after the Pfhor lose the war.
: So anyone interested? And sorry for the length. And if there's some huge hole
: in my theory about the Pfhor, please tell me (though I'm sure you guys
: won't need prompting!)

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: Not only unlikely but impossible. I always got the impression that the UESC : was very much outnumbered during the war; this would explain why they went : for the headshot by taking Pfhor Prime. Er, did this actually happen in : the trilogy or do I still have Rubicon on the brain? : Additionally, why bury an otherwise perfectly good Empire when you can usurp : it, a la the barbarians with Rome. Or, if you did want the Pfhor to die : off or become weaker, simply let them splinter and fight each other for : power. : Yes, this is the basis for my next big steaming piece of fanfic, I actually : need to work on it some more...I've got a lot of writing to do this : weekend. : I tend to think the individual Pfhor were only as independent thinking as the : HC would allow or could afford. : Yes, another example would be the enforcers. So perhaps it is two part; the : glands validate authority while the enforces see to the excution of its : will. It's also possible that the captain's glands were necessary to : access the ship's control systems; a pheremonal fingerprint of some sort, : otherwise Tycho would have tad to tie it to a defense drone and force it : to float about the ship, much like you would a steak to an ugly childs : face so that the dog might play with him. : I agree, and the Rubicon team's spin on this was that the Empire fragmented : as warlords, former slaves, and former commanders tried to fill the power : vacuum. As the Empire collapsed downwards through the bureaucracy, those : that were able to maintain the command structure beneath them were at the : head of power. : I think this was the original idea behind Pfhorathon, to play as a fighter. : How far that scenario is and how much play we might see as a Pfhor is : anyone's guess. : A lot of good scenario ideas out there could make some really good fan : fiction, and some of them are actually probably better suited for that. I : think that by writing you're creating the outline and structure as you go, : and in the end you can decide if you really have enough content to form it : into something more substantial like an actual scenario. : Again, this would be difficult seeing as how the Pfhor Empire was just : gigantic, all the Pfhor probably wouldn't fint on one planet... : Some of this, if not a lot of it, will come into form and into play in the : Scenario idea we've been throwing around that will begin development after : the completion of Eternal. Manus Celer Dei will go into great detail : concerning the history of the future after the Pfhor lose the war.

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Story Discussion and maybe a scenario idea?	Cheerful	5/14/04 3:38 p.m.
Re: Story Discussion and maybe a scenario idea?	Forrest of B.org	5/14/04 3:55 p.m.
Re: Story Discussion and maybe a scenario idea?	Forrest of B.org	5/14/04 4:01 p.m.
Re: Story Discussion and maybe a scenario idea?	Yossarian	5/14/04 5:48 p.m.
Re: Story Discussion and maybe a scenario idea?	Cheerful	5/14/04 8:41 p.m.
Re: Story Discussion and maybe a scenario idea?	Steve Levinson	5/17/04 5:51 a.m.
Re: Story Discussion and maybe a scenario idea?	Mista_B	5/17/04 7:10 a.m.
Re: Story Discussion and maybe a scenario idea?	Cheerful	5/17/04 11:58 a.m.
Re: Story Discussion and maybe a scenario idea?	Forrest of B.org	5/15/04 12:27 p.m.
Re: Another theory about the Pfhor	Cheerful	5/15/04 9:31 p.m.
Re: Another theory about the Pfhor	Forrest of B.org	5/16/04 8:17 p.m.
Re: Another theory about the Pfhor	Porky	5/19/04 4:24 a.m.



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	Message: : Not only unlikely but impossible. I always got the impression that the UESC : was very much outnumbered during the war; this would explain why they went : for the headshot by taking Pfhor Prime. Er, did this actually happen in : the trilogy or do I still have Rubicon on the brain? : Additionally, why bury an otherwise perfectly good Empire when you can usurp : it, a la the barbarians with Rome. Or, if you did want the Pfhor to die : off or become weaker, simply let them splinter and fight each other for : power. : Yes, this is the basis for my next big steaming piece of fanfic, I actually : need to work on it some more...I've got a lot of writing to do this : weekend. : I tend to think the individual Pfhor were only as independent thinking as the : HC would allow or could afford. : Yes, another example would be the enforcers. So perhaps it is two part; the : glands validate authority while the enforces see to the excution of its : will. It's also possible that the captain's glands were necessary to : access the ship's control systems; a pheremonal fingerprint of some sort, : otherwise Tycho would have tad to tie it to a defense drone and force it : to float about the ship, much like you would a steak to an ugly childs : face so that the dog might play with him. : I agree, and the Rubicon team's spin on this was that the Empire fragmented : as warlords, former slaves, and former commanders tried to fill the power : vacuum. As the Empire collapsed downwards through the bureaucracy, those : that were able to maintain the command structure beneath them were at the : head of power. : I think this was the original idea behind Pfhorathon, to play as a fighter. : How far that scenario is and how much play we might see as a Pfhor is : anyone's guess. : A lot of good scenario ideas out there could make some really good fan : fiction, and some of them are actually probably better suited for that. I : think that by writing you're creating the outline and structure as you go, : and in the end you can decide if you really have enough content to form it : into something more substantial like an actual scenario. : Again, this would be difficult seeing as how the Pfhor Empire was just : gigantic, all the Pfhor probably wouldn't fint on one planet... : Some of this, if not a lot of it, will come into form and into play in the : Scenario idea we've been throwing around that will begin development after : the completion of Eternal. Manus Celer Dei will go into great detail : concerning the history of the future after the Pfhor lose the war.
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