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Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??
Posted By: Peptuck <peptuck3@hotmail.com>Date: 1/27/06 10:33 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's?? (Slith)

: To me, it looks like Bungie said "screw logic, let's get some boarding
: action going on here!"

: In all honesty, the Cairo should have been destroyed by Regret's point
: defense systems when he passed it. You'd only need one good shot to
: effectively disable or destroy the thing.

It could have been destroyed by the point defense systems. But why would Regret have bothered? The station was going to blow in moments anyway, so he wouldn't need to waste time and energy on destroying the station.

: Bording parties also make absolutely no sense. Since when do the Covenant
: elect to send ground troops to secure/destroy an objective when their
: ships can do it? [The only times these risks are taken is to reach
: Forerunner technology. Or the Covenant ships are unavailable.]

When the MAC guns can destroy you own ships instantly and utterly? When you have to defend a Hierarch? The Covenant knows the power of a MAC gun, and they respect it, and they have to defend Regret from attack. Therefore, use of boarding parties to take the MACs offline makes a lot more sense. They don't outnumber the humans three to one in this scenario; in this case, they have to use subtetly and discretion and tactics to take out the guns with minimal loss among their own fleet.

: Hell, if each of the boarding craft that reached Cairo were packed with
: explosives, there would have been no need for boarding parties.

Not necessarily. How powerful is the armor of such a station? Can you guarantee that the explosives would have destroyed enough of the station to take it out?

: Actually, come to think of it, Regret's battlegroup shouldn't have even made
: it through the Human blockade at all! 15 Covenant capital ships versus at
: least 3 Orbital MAC's, 50 or more frigates and 8 cruisers.

Two of the MACs are taken out before the battle even begins. And you fail to take into account the composition of the Covenant fleet: thirteen cruisers and two assault carriers. these aren't mere Covenant frigates and destroyers, they're cruisers and gigantic carriers. These are the best ships in the Covenant fleet, aganst a force consisting, for the most part, of the smallest and weakest of the UNSC fleet.

Thirteen Covenant cruisers is a rough match for 39 UNSC cruisers. When you look at it that way, I personally am surprised that the UNSC fleet did so well.

: Let's say each
: human ship only has 4 Archer missile pods each firing only 10 missiles.
: Regret's battlegroup would be dealing with a first salvo of 2320 missiles,
: along with who knows how many fighters, bombers, and nukes. Not to mention
: the 50 or so MAC rounds!

2320/15 warships equals roughly 154 missiles per ship. Pulse laser point defense systems would cut that by at least a third, probably half, meaning that less than a hundred missiles would strike each ship. That's like throwing spitballs at a freight train; it would take five hundred or more missiles to even briefly drop a Covenant ship of that size's shields.

Not to mention that not all frigates may pack MAC cannons, and frigate-mounted MACs are very weak; the Covenant corvette that the Commonwealth took on withstood two MACs, over a hundred and fifty Archers, and a nuke and still didn't die.

Fighters and bombers would be met by Seraphs, from both the cruisers and teh assualt carriers, which can carry hundreds of them.

Nukes wouldn't be used so close to the stations; the EMP would burn out the MACs' electronics.


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Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??UrsusArctos 12/30/05 12:31 a.m.
     Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 12/30/05 12:47 a.m.
     Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Ragashingo 12/30/05 12:50 a.m.
           Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Whisp 12/30/05 1:13 a.m.
                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??HaloNater 12/30/05 1:22 a.m.
                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Jinno 12/30/05 1:23 a.m.
                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 12/30/05 1:26 a.m.
                             Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??HaloNater 12/30/05 1:30 a.m.
                                   Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 12/30/05 1:42 a.m.
                             Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??58 12/30/05 9:57 a.m.
                                   Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Hikaru-119 12/30/05 10:02 a.m.
                                         Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 12/30/05 10:30 a.m.
                                               Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??58 12/30/05 10:57 a.m.
                                                     Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 12/30/05 12:14 p.m.
                                                           Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??58 12/30/05 1:54 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 12/30/05 2:03 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??58 12/30/05 2:10 p.m.
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                                                                                   Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??mrbananas 1/11/06 9:40 p.m.
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                                                                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 12/30/05 5:53 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Zak Anderson 12/30/05 7:09 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 12/31/05 12:10 a.m.
                                                     Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Baratos 12/30/05 1:32 p.m.
                                                           Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??58 12/30/05 1:52 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 12/30/05 2:05 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??58 12/30/05 2:09 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 12/30/05 3:46 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 12/30/05 7:36 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Because that would be logical. *NM* *NM*BMac325 1/26/06 12:01 p.m.
                                                     Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Johny117 1/25/06 11:54 p.m.
                                               Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Oscar Gordon 1/17/06 12:07 a.m.
                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??PingZing 12/30/05 1:57 a.m.
                             Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??gspawn 12/30/05 3:36 a.m.
                                   Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 12/30/05 3:53 a.m.
                                   Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Zak Anderson 12/30/05 5:49 p.m.
                       It's delivered by ferrets, of course. *NM*Pvt. Jenkins 12/30/05 9:06 a.m.
                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peronthious 12/30/05 8:23 a.m.
                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??cypher 12/30/05 8:49 p.m.
                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??blankityblankityblankblank 2/6/06 9:06 p.m.
                 MicroHikaru-119 12/30/05 8:49 a.m.
           Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??moicus 12/30/05 4:00 a.m.
     Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Rumsfeld 1/12/06 2:01 p.m.
           Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/12/06 2:10 p.m.
                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Endbringer 1/12/06 3:34 p.m.
                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/12/06 9:53 p.m.
           Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 1/12/06 2:19 p.m.
                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Frofalcon 1/12/06 5:01 p.m.
                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 1/12/06 5:03 p.m.
                             Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??UrsusArctos 1/15/06 1:13 a.m.
                                   Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/15/06 2:04 a.m.
                                         Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??UrsusArctos 1/15/06 2:15 a.m.
                                               Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/15/06 2:19 a.m.
                                                     Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??UrsusArctos 1/15/06 2:39 a.m.
                                                           Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Slith 1/27/06 8:17 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??marinealver 1/27/06 10:05 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/27/06 10:16 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 1/27/06 10:33 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/27/06 11:19 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 1/27/06 1:05 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/27/06 1:45 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 1/27/06 2:20 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/27/06 3:04 p.m.
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                                                                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Slith 1/28/06 1:51 a.m.
                                                                             AddendumSlith 1/28/06 2:20 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: AddendumM6D 1/28/06 2:55 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/28/06 2:59 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Slith 1/28/06 11:10 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/28/06 11:23 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Slith 1/28/06 12:54 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/28/06 1:03 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Slith 1/28/06 2:34 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??UNSCDF 1/28/06 3:55 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Slith 1/28/06 5:00 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 1/28/06 10:38 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 1/28/06 10:35 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/29/06 6:40 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 1/29/06 5:32 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/29/06 7:55 p.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 1/29/06 8:16 p.m.
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